They have brought dope to our streets through COINTELPRO, they have stolen our homes through this housing scam, they have left us jobless and now they have shot one of us laying down in the back on video and still deny the facts; enough is enough, NO JUSTICE NO PEACE…
When the elite only had cameras they killed the Indians and they killed the blacks then denied the truth, but today technology is in the hands of the common folk…now we have a tape; and the tape tells no lies….we have seen the police lie Oscar Grant down and shoot him in the back execution style. Are we to now let this killer cop off the hook?!!
In the Bay Area we must ask ourselves what would Malcolm do? What would Huey do? What would Pac do? What was done in LA? Now ask yourself what are you going to do?
The Bay Area needs to rise up together as one!! Oakland, Richmond, San Jose, San Francisco, East Palo Alto, Vallejo and all points in between show the world we are tired of police brutality we are tired of systematic oppression; enough is enough!! NO JUSTICE NO PEACE!!…use the Art of War; work in squads…BURN IT DOWN!!!
To all those National Guardsmen who have been recruited from the ghettos and barrios stand down…let the elite come out and feel the heat!!
When the house is burning the “house” cats will try to put the fire out and call for peace, the real cats those “field” cats will pray for the wind. Tuesday if justice does not prevail, there will be no peace; the wind will blow throughout the Bay Area!!!
Brother (or Sister, as the case may be), when I hear "burn it
FWright Says:down", and the crackerization and peckerwoodization of white folk as a monolithic entity to be viewed as a whole to be the enemy, the righteousness of the cause of justice in this case is lost. I've experienced through civil war and the drug war in two countries, as well as the racial strife from the 60's on in the Bay Area and L.A., the wanton destruction and tragedy that comes from explosions of violence, be they race-, religious-, or cartel/government-based.
If what your agenda is is to punish whitey as a whole, you punish yourself by alienating those human beings of European ancestry who see the injustice going on and are working to bring about change. There are teachers, attorneys, planners, sectors of the business community, even individuals within law enforcement, who are quietly working for social justice and equality for all of us, realizing that to discriminate against another based on whatever the criteria might be is to diminish one's own humanity.
The L.A. riots hurt the black community deeply, by driving away many businesses and services that members of all communities need, forcing those with no form of transportation to travel farther, spend more getting there, and wasting valuable time doing so. Turn someone into a color, a creed, or whatever other dividing line you want to fill the blank in with, and you merely reinforce the stereotypes that those who don't spend time with those of other cultures, races, religions, etc. have regarding black folk. You may not care, but if not, and I do understand the frustration, because I experience it myself, having been been violently attacked on many occasions in my youth, and much less frequently in my adulthood, for the color of skin, burning it down is just going to make the divide wider and create a chasm of distrust and hate which will prevent the healing process from strengthening sooner than it could have.
I have deep admiration for Malcolm X, because he was a man who, when all was said and done, in spite of having experienced and lived the worst of what the racialized society of his time had to offer, and the years spent processing his anger at the injustices experienced by black Americans during his time as spokesman for Elijah Muhammad's Nation of Islam, after going on the Haj, the pilgrimage to Mecca which is every Muslim's duty to fulfill if financially possible, he saw the truth of the humanity of us all. It's all right there in The Autobiography of Malcolm X. He realized that it's not the color, it's the individual.
Do I believe there will be rioting in the streets of Oakland in the wake of a verdict favorable to Mehserle? Yes. Do I understand that it's part of the dynamic of the poverty of mind and spirit we experience, in addition to the grinding economic poverty so many of our black brethren are born into, grow up in, and pass on in, which results in the anger and frustration such as that which you and the fellow on the video links you provided feel? Yes. Will the rioting accomplish anything other than destruction and furthering the division and distrust between those of different cultures and races. I sincerely doubt it.
Some people will get their yay-ya's out, but it sure won't make Oaktown a better place to live.
In the 2006 film by the Haitian actor/director Jimmy Jean-Louis, Diary of a Tired Black Man, Mr. Jean-Louis cites an extremely tragic and disturbing statistic: 9 out 10 African-American children are raised in homes where either one or both of the biological parents are absent, with the vast majority of those absent parents being fathers. 9 out 10? WTF! No wonder there's so much pain, in addition to all the other negative forces pushing in on people.
I hope justice will be served, but it's all ready all bad. I've got news for you; most white folk think this was terrible tragedy all the way around, too.
You say you want a revolution? I'd be interested in seeing the plan for building it up after burning it down.
By the way, I served both Huey Newton and Eldridge Cleaver in the 80's when I worked as a bartender and bank teller. David Hilliard was a customer at the market I worked in. The Panthers were a major influence in the neighborhood I went to school in as a child.
Peace.
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»FW
letmesaythis Says:Thank you for this post. I watched/listened to the videos. It left me with deep sadness. We have not come very far....
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»lmst
FWright Says:I think it reflects on the absurdity and tragedy of the human condition. Anger and violence are the natural result of poverty and despair. While there has indeed been progress in some realms of human existence, you're quite right in that in many ways, in spite of the positive changes, we haven't come very far at all, and in this new information age, with so much of the information available being based on distortions and hate-based rhetoric, we're taking steps backward.
People I know in the Oakland/East Bay Area, which was affected by the initial riots, will be staying home and keeping an eye on what develops. People of all races are concerned that destructive forces will, once again, hijack any peaceful demonstrations that might occur.
The young African-American man who organized the original demonstrations against the shooting, which were supposed to be peaceful and devolved into violence and destruction of businesses and property in the downtown Oakland area, cried in frustration after seeing his vision of a mass demonstration of peaceful civil disobedience get hijacked by violent individuals who really didn't see the demonstrations as anything other than an opportunity to wreak havoc without suffering consequences. It had nothing to do with police accountability or Oscar Grant's death.
I guess all we can do is quietly treat others with respect no matter what the differences are between us, be they religious, racial, cultural, or whatever else it might be, and work for peace by seeing the common humanity we share.
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»Here is the under reported
SHANSEN Says:Here is the under reported views of the community in Oakland; see for yourself…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PElcxjQpTw
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»Further underreported views from Oakland: Lovelle Mixon as hero.
FWright Says:The same individual who killed 4 police officers is hailed as a hero by some.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I-pdS5-nMI&feature=related
For those wanting a shorter url:
http://tinyurl.com/2eqfbss
Lest it be forgotten, this same hero to some was conclusively linked by DNA analysis to the rape of a 12 year old girl that occurred on February 5th of 2009, and identified him as the man who raped and robbed two women on the morning of March 21st, 2009, the same day he shot two Oakland police officers to death after a traffic stop and killed two more officers who were members of Oakland P.D.'s SWAT team in the shootout that ensued when they entered his sister's apartment after being told by a woman familiar with the case that he was located there. The lab, connected to OPD according to reports, had its findings called into question by some members of the black community.
Uhuru Movement, a community organization in Oakland, hailed Mixon as a hero. The comment section in their news site is revealing.
http://uhurunews.com/
There is obviously an immense disconnect between members of different communities, and factions within those communities.
Another perspective from some members of Mixon's family and a gathering of ministers that took place on March 31 - Several hundred people gathered in the early evening at an event organized by Pastors of Oakland, which is composed mainly of black ministers. Caroline Mixon, cousin of Lovelle Mixon, publicly praised the Oakland Police Department for serving and protecting the people of Oakland. Reverend Doug Stevens exhorted those gathered to live as if they were already in heaven, "without regard to color or class".
There are no monoliths when it comes to race groups in the U.S.. There is a broad range of diversity within each group, and though it might be tempting, even irresistable to some, to vilify and demonize people according to the cut of their birthday suits, as opposed to their thoughts and actions, it defies logic and reality.
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»Have we forgotten? Lets here
SHANSEN Says:Have we forgotten? Lets here it from Malcolm…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn0vHMlavTc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRSgUTWffMQ&feature=related
Have we forgotten? Lets here it from Pac…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B5fmaip7u8&feature=fvsr
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»Latino’s stand in
SHANSEN Says:Latino’s stand in solidarity…remember how they treat us…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGFXc2mN4O0
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»Mixon
LSK49rs Says:was not only a child rapist and a murderer, he was linked by DNA evidence to a home invasion robbery in Stanislaus County.
This horror of a tragedy at the BART station has damaged the community. To maintain, however, that the Bart Cop woke up that morning with any other intent than to do his job is false.
He should be held accountable for his error but murder? I don't think so.
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»Hey Shansen, you want to burn it down? Be my guest...
...but keep in mind what won't happen when your done. Nothing, and I do mean NOTHING that gets burned down in the black community will be rebuilt. Not a single thing. Not the corner grocery, not the community center, not the barber shops, not the liquor store, not the apartment buildings, not a single solitary thing. Anything damaged in China Town, downtown, the Haight, etc will be back up and running almost overnight while 10, 20, 30 years from now the black community will still have a pile of ruble and ashes. Don't believe me? Just take a look at Watts after the riots, almost NOTHING has been rebuilt. NO ONE will invest money in the black community just to see it destroyed in another riot. The only reason there is anything there in the first place is because the whites left it there after leaving for greener pastures. All the blacks ever get is what we throw away or walk away from. Once it's old and decrepit it's yours, we don't want it anymore. Burn it all down if you want, we'll rebuild ours nicer than before and then you'll just have to wait that much longer before we decide we don't want it and let you have it for your latest slum. In the meantime you can live in rubble and ashes.
After careful consideration of the facts David Krahl PhD, former Deputy Director Of Drug Free America Foundation now supports the legalization of Medicinal Cannabis.
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»Argyle
BAILACTIVIST Says:That is exactly why I wanted the Boston Celtic to win this years NBA Championship, because when the Lakers win, LA usually riot and wreck havoc on Los Angeles.
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»The worst part is all the small businesses...
...that are forced out of business. Loss of services, loss of employment oppurtunities, and someones dreams and hard work dashed on the rocks.
After careful consideration of the facts David Krahl PhD, former Deputy Director Of Drug Free America Foundation now supports the legalization of Medicinal Cannabis.
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»My cousin lives in the LA area
FWright Says:and has a business whose work force consists a spectrum of talented, hardworking individuals. As it turns out, the people occupying the positions they have represent the spectrum of race and culture groups in the area. Euro-Americans, African-Americans, Mexican-Americans, Mexicans, Salvadorans, an Irishman and an Englishman. The foreign-born are all legal residents or naturalized citizens. They all lived through the riots, and the two African-American gentlemen, experts in their fields, vividly remember the Watts riots.
They were all witnesses to the destruction and alienation caused by the riots that followed the Rodney King verdict. The black gents, both of whom remained in their communities throughout the years because of family ties and the pride of ownership that comes with owning and occupying one's own house, as well their financial support of members of the next generation who devoted themselves to getting degrees and vocational certificates, shared that the destruction of the Watts riots and the later King riots left their community without essential services, and caused businesses to rethink their plans to invest in the community, which wound up denying access of valuable services and actually caused the prices of staples to rise, because the only markets left were the corner stores and liquor stores the Koreans, Palestinians and Yemenis reopened, the majority of which charge significantly higher prices for foodstuffs and household necessities like cleaning materials and detergents. No insurance for them, because of the enormous losses incurred by the insurance companies in those areas.
Not only did this hurt the black community in terms of increased prices for staples, but also affected the health of the community, in that these stores almost never offer fresh fruit and vegetables, just the usual fare of high-fat, preservative-laced junk foods and the least nutritious breads and high-sugar cereals.
While the Nation of Islam may not like me much because I'm a HMF, and not only do I have serious differences with much of their philosophy, but other Muslims do too, I have to say that I admire their philosophy of promoting entrepeneurship in the black community, and urging members of the community to patronize black-owned businesses. Until there is greater parity, this is one peaceful, healthy way to truly empower the community, by creating jobs and wealth that are generated by the community and elevate the standard of living and education in the community.
By the way, for those who think they're just going to stroll into predominantly white areas and wreak havoc unopposed, here's something to think about: there's a new generation of highly trained, battle-hardened vets who paid their dues in Afghanistan and Iraq, in addition to the large number of gun owners who got armed after the last riots, who won't be cowering in their basements waiting for help to arrive. You can bet your life on it.
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»SHANSON.....threats of violence just solidify stereotypes....
shyster Says:You, my friend, have just reinforced the image of the stereotypical Afro-American to a large amount of readers. Instead of channeling your anger and resentment into positive energy, you choose to widen the gap between races by advocating rioting and violence.
I have particpated in quelling violent civil protest, and I can tell you there are winners. The only outcome will be a greater abiss of distrust and damage to the affected communities.
Your message is not the answer!
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»Good Point FWright
By the way, for those who think they're just going to stroll into predominantly white areas and wreak havoc unopposed, here's something to think about: there's a new generation of highly trained, battle-hardened vets who paid their dues in Afghanistan and Iraq, in addition to the large number of gun owners who got armed after the last riots, who won't be cowering in their basements waiting for help to arrive. You can bet your life on it.
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»The difference between a white man with a gun
and a black man with a gun is the white man knows how to aim and hit his target.
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»so a Black man
JoeMcCarthy Says:and a gun cannot? I can assure you they can and do, is the rock still in front of your cave?
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»Blackman can jump
dough.
Outrun bullet,....ehhhh?
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»A white man + a high capacity clip = a lot of dead looters
A black man + a high capacity clip = a little girl playing hop scotch six blocks away with a bullet in her head.
VERY FEW blacks know how to properly use a firearm. How many times have we heard on the news about some crip or blood related shooting where HUNDREDS OF ROUNDS were fired and the only person hit was an innocent victim a half a mile away? These morons can fire a half a dozen clips on full automatic into a crowd and hit nothing. They would rather "look cool" and hold the gun over their head or turned sideways than actually use the sights. When was the last time you saw a black sniper or a brother tramping around in the woods with a hunting rifle actually putting meat on the table? The ONLY time most of them can hit their intended victim is when they're holding up a 7-11 or liquor store and they have the barrel of the gun 6 inches away from them. Then the cowards will pull the trigger AFTER THE VICTIM COOPERATED AND GAVE THEM EVERYTHING THEY ASKED FOR. If they start rioting and come to my part of town it will be shoot first and ask questions later. Oh hell, who am I kidding, it'll be shoot first, reload, shoot again and to hell with the questions.
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»Dont let the bankster CIA
Dont let the bankster CIA separate us Americans any longer. We are one and if you believe in race then you conform to the establishment. Resist the New World Order and come together as one. We are all in this together. Open your eyes inside and think internally instead of externally.
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»And people wonder why black folk say this is a racist country.
FWright Says:Don't forget: there are a number of highly trained war veterans who are black. It does nothing to further the cause of peace and justice in this country to respond to ignorance with ignorance.
Know what made Malcolm X a real threat? His trip to Mecca showed him that the whitest of white folk with the bluest of blue eyes could kneel in reverence to God side by side with blackest of black folk in peace, and praise His name as members of one community.
When his eyes were opened to truth of humanity and the fallacy of racialism, in addition to the disillusionment he experienced when faced with moral failings of Elijah Muhammad, who he had loved as a father and prophet, who had not respected the parameters of his espoused morality by engaging in relations with young sisters who were members of the Nation of Islam, he became a threat to the status quo of the NOI and was assassinated by members of that organization after leaving to follow his new understanding of the oneness of humanity.
Try surprising someone by putting them in check with intellect, not trite race-based stereotypes and sweeping generalizations.
This blog and the videos prove there are race-haters of every race floating around, and that we've got a long way to go in this country in so many ways that go far beyond race to religion, class, and politics.
Ever met a polished, educated, well-spoken, professional, spiritual and peace-loving black person who doesn't indulge in the power of victimization by abdicating responsibility for their actions by blaming Whitey?
I grew up with numbers of people that "match the description".
Come on, people.
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»Really, Bakatari - your
FairnessForAll Says:Really, Bakatari - your racists views are outdated and wrong. We are all the same under our skin. Next you'll be saying women can't shoot as well as men. My grandmother was a champion sharpshooter for several years in the 1920s. Bet you wouldn't like to stand in front of her and say those racists things you say. We all have the capacity for violence and we all have the capacity for peace. Let's try peace for a change.
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»Black war veterans aren't likely to riot
They had the backbone to join the military and serve this country. Someone like that isn't likely to try to destroy that which they fought and sacraficed for. These are the same individuals who don't sit around and blame others for their position in life, they go out and do something constructive to provide for a better life for themselves and their families. These are people with morals, a respect for themselves and society, and a drive to suceed in life, who go to college or trade schools and work their ass of to get ahead, not join gangs and make excuses and feel sorry for themselves because "whitey is at it again".
SHANSEN on the other hand is CALLING FOR RIOTING;
"The Bay Area needs to rise up together as one!! Oakland, Richmond,
San Jose, San Francisco, East Palo Alto, Vallejo and all points in
between show the world we are tired of police brutality we are tired of
systematic oppression; enough is enough!! NO JUSTICE NO PEACE!!…use the
Art of War; work in squads…BURN IT DOWN!!!
To all those National
Guardsmen who have been recruited from the ghettos and barrios stand
down…let the elite come out and feel the heat!!
When the house is
burning the “house” cats will try to put the fire out and call for
peace, the real cats those “field” cats will pray for the wind. Tuesday
if justice does not prevail, there will be no peace; the wind will blow
throughout the Bay Area!!!"
Gang bangers can't shoot, FACT, not racism. A handfull of rouge cops beat a black man- ALL whites are to blame- RIOT, BURN IT DOWN! Lakers win the Campionship - Lets celebrate by RIOTING and LOOTING - yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Your told to evacuate a city because a hurricane's coming and are provided buses and told no one will be able to help you for a long time afterward and you better get out but you ignore the warnings and stay and when help doesn't arrive ON YOUR SCHEDULE it's someone elses fault? They're not moving fast enough to save your ignorant ass so you scream racism, whitey don't care you were too stupid to heed the warnings. BS! Exercise a little personal responsibility.Look in the mirror for the source of 99% of your problems and stop blaming whitey. We have enough of our own problems to take care of without sitting around all day to figure out how to "oppress" you. You're doing a bang up job doing that to yourselves without anyones help.Truth be told we hardly ever even think about you until you bring attention to yourselves. And when you do it's rarely good.
I'm not talking about all people of color but I'm sure as hell talking about gang bangers, rioters and looters. I'm talking about people who refuse to take responsibility for their own actions and look for the nearest scapegoat. I'm also talking about those calling for violence against those that have nothing to do with what happened to Oscar Grant. "Tuesday
if justice does not prevail, there will be no peace; the wind will blow
throughout the Bay Area!!!" And just what the hell did the Bay Area do to Grant? NOTHING! Calling for rising up against the innocent citizens of the Bay area, people who also have to put up with the police's bs, is just an excuse to go after whitey and riot. Cop's tazer an old white woman, or shoot a white family's pet while terrorizing them, or any of the other of thousands of travisties against justice white people also face and we call for the cops involved to be prosecuted. If they get off we point out the corruption and the thin blue line that protects these assholes, NOT CALL FOR RIOTING AND "BURN BABY BURN".
"When the house is
burning the “house” cats will try to put the fire out and call for
peace, the real cats those “field” cats will pray for the wind."
"House cats" and "field cats"? A THINLY disguised reference to the Old South and days of slavery when you had "house negroes" and "field negros". SHANSEN is calling for blacks to rise up and go to war against the whites because a white cop shot Oscar Grant and he blames all whites. Really? One bad cop murders a man so let's go after whitey everywhere? "…use the
Art of War; work in squads…BURN IT DOWN!!!" Stereotypes exist for a reason, they're not always wrong. They certainly arent in this case. NEWS FLASH SHANSEN; Nobody alive today had anything to do with slavery. It wasn't even whitey that captured your ancestors and sold them into slavery, it was other blacks, something they still do to this day. By the same token except for the cops involved no one had anything to do with Oscar Grant. In case you haven't noticed the cops come after us too! Your not the only one's who get framed for things they didn't do, have evidence planted on them, or have cops lie under oath to screw them.
And as for you FFA, read my f*****g post again and try to do it with open eyes and a little comprehension. NOWHERE in my post did I call for violence, I simply warned those that wish to bring violence my way I'll be one of those not cringing in the basement out of fear. And oh yeah, I wish my sister was here if rioting erupts, she could pick them off at over 500 yards with an open sight.
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»Gang bangers at it again
SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Sacramento police say a 12-year-old girl has
been shot and wounded by a stray bullet while walking home from a park.
More here.
'nuff said
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»Prison-based street gang members in the military increasing.
FWright Says:http://www.militarytimes.com/static/projects/pages/ngic_gangs.pdf
or
http://tinyurl.com/2co78v8
An assesment by the military and law enforcement agencies across the country, including the Ceres PD.
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»Many youth are consistently
SHANSEN Says:Many youth are consistently victimized by police terrorism, and treated like new millennium slaves. This atrocity was caught on tape for the world to see. Many people, who have been accused of similar crimes, are immediately jailed, often with high or no bail amounts. The fact that this murder was caught on tape and involves a trained officer of the law speaks of the highest injustice. An outright execution caught on videotape.
Hopefully the jury will remember Oscar Grant’s last words “…don’t kill me, I have a 4 year old.” and convict Johannes Mehserle with 2nd degree murder.
Jury deliberations continue…
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»“…last week, a woman
SHANSEN Says:“…last week, a woman called KGO radio to give her two cents about the Johannes Mehserle murder trial. She told host Gil Gross that people should "burn it down."
The "it" that she was referring to was Oakland.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2LDw5l_yMI
If justice is not served; are the people to stand idle while this killer cop returns to Tahoe to celebrate?! NO JUSTICE NO PEACE!!
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»Shansen
BAILACTIVIST Says:Are you saying, that if a jury of his peers find Johannes Mehserle Not Guilty, then no justice was served and therefor, there should be no Peace?
If after hearing all the evidence, viewing the videos, the jury is able to make a unamious decision, whether guilty or not guilty, The Justice System will have spoken.
Also, if you didn't have your butt, seated in the court room for the entire trial, then you really shouldn't state your opinion on what happened in the court room and especially whether the jury made a good or bad decision!
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»BA, you speak of a jury of
SHANSEN Says:BA, you speak of a jury of peers; don't you find it odd there is not 1 black man or woman on the jury?
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»I saw the footage of the
I saw the footage of the shooting. Intentional or not a man is dead at the hands of LE. We all know LE gets special treatment from the court system. I personally dont believe justice will be served. It never is, and never will be. We live in the judicial system of Communism.
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»Peers means equals
Are you saying if someone is not black they're not an equal?
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»Peacefull protester
SHANSEN Says:Peacefull protester questioning police; ruffed up, arrested and cell phone stolen by OPD (Oakland Police Department)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIVKWc8pdj0
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»Justice for Oscar Grant…
SHANSEN Says:Justice for Oscar Grant… a look back…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Dlwf3osfeU&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEVcllimLHE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biU2Eza9p50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phvA-2E1-yM&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooWr-RhovPg&feature=channel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Grant
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»Shansen
BAILACTIVIST Says:Explain yourself, Are you suggesting that White men aren't capable of being on a jury? Oh! wait, are there any hispanics, asian, etc? What is the make up of the jury? Were their any black men or woman in the jury pool? Did they get selected or did they get selected and then excused? What race is the prosecutor or the judge?
Please answer these questions
Are you saying, that if a jury of his peers find Johannes Mehserle Not Guilty, then no justice was served and therefor, there should be no Peace?
If after hearing all the evidence, viewing the videos, the jury is able to make a unamious decision, whether guilty or not guilty, The Justice System will have spoken.
Also, if you didn't have your butt, seated in the court room for the entire trial, then you really shouldn't state your opinion on what happened in the court room and especially whether the jury made a good or bad decision!
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»SHANSEN's saying
That white people aren't the equals of blacks, we're not their peers and not fit to judge them. SHANSEN is a racist. SHANSEN is threatining whites with violence and rioting unless the jury turns in a guilty verdict. Officer Johannes Mehserle is guilty OR ELSE. SHANSEN is a terrorist.
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»Mehserle verdict is in: will be announced by 4:00 p.m. today.
FWright Says:http://www.ktvu.com/news/24188551/detail.html
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»Some comments from the Oakland Tribune live chat
FWright Says:Most of Oakland does not want violence and it is the media that is causing this frenzy
I was over in Oakland's Frank Ogawa Bldg. They evacuated the building.
please be peaceful people!
The media causing this frenzy????WTF are you stupid?
Guest you telling me that the media makes people do things they would normally not do?
in the oakland tribune building... we hope it stays quiet here
What does that say about Oakland and the propensity for violence in the streets and on BART platforms.
well i ask because im a firefighter down near Monterey and we were put on stand by for strickteams of fire trucks to help oakland if riots (Fires) break out!!
lot's of honking near the state building...i'm inside an have no street perspective
pray for peace
Just heard from a reliable source that people from the federal buildings are being told to go home ....
West Oakland BART is JAMMED getting out of Oakland into SF right now
Please don't trash our city. It' snot Oakland's fault
hope justice is served.
Trying to get out of Oakland. Helicopters in the air. People running. The verdict is about to be announced. [via Twitter]
another person tweeting says helicopters are overhead: http://twitter.com/evilcarlos/statuses/18067285977
in a residence near the state building. I hear cars whizzing by an there's helicopter (it sounds like) and honking near 14th
I have class at Merritt at 6PM. Should I go or should I stay?
880 I traffic crawling
Anyone near Frutivale BART?
Watch Channel 2 Coverage Of The Mehserle Verdict Live Now: http://bit.ly/a8LsuM [via Twitter]
Are any local TV stations covering this yet? Or not until 4pm?
I live downtown. Traffic is rushing by like crazy, people running. Helicopters flying overhead
have you heard anything from BART if they are going to close the stations?
http://www.bart.gov/news/articles/2010/news20100630.aspx
stay safe folks - non need for violence
I hope its not guilty....That was a TRAGIC accident but not a criminal act
Please do not trash our city
They shut down the two downtown VA clinics.
In SF near a rather big bar, bar owner is calling in all the staff tonights the night to come to the city and stay safe
RT @kgoradio: MEHSERLE: According to Superior Court rep, IMMEDIATELY all courthouses in Alameda county have been evacuated per judge's order [via Twitter]
We are responsible for the things we do -- accident or intentional
That was no accident
CT I agree.... it was a TRAGIC accident.
My friend who works in downtown Oakland for the city said they were sent home at 2:45pm.
RT @kgoradio: BART spokesman Linton Johnson is encouraging BART passengers to get out of downtown SF and Oakland before the verdict. [via Twitter]
Chat is lagging
our office was evacuated at 3. it's a bit much
Fruitvale Bart was deserted I heard
Oakland IRS office has sent its people home.
Keep our cities fair for the kids sake....No violence is necessary
a bad cop makes a bad move, tragic incident, he should serve some serious time to set the example to other "police". citizens need to stop paying for "oops, I'm so sorry" incidences that are happening across the country.
Why would BART want downtown SF evacuated too? Precautionary?
The guy has been through enough. Pulling for an acquittal.
hopefully a lot of security cameras will be installed, and anyone involved in rioting will serve time
Yes Jen a lot of people workin in SF ride BART to get home and have to go into the east bay, meaning through Oakland.
Waits on Oakland tweets. They already hyphy... I predict the biggest sideshow ever is about to commence. [via Twitter]
Office emptying to send ppl home before riots. Oakland streets are a mess from traffic. #verdict [via Twitter]
I pray for the citizens and police officers in Oakland and for a peaceful evening
http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_15467890
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»Involuntary manslaughter.
FWright Says:.
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»Justice Served?....
Fisrt off I'd like to admit my bias- When I hear of an officer-involved shooting I tend to lean towards the side of the officer. Right or wrong it is what it is.
The verdict of the jury most certainly centered around the issue of intent. A conviction for murder requires not only intent but also malice. The use of a deadly weapon such as a firearm is presumable intent and a police officer needs to justify use of deadly force.
Clearly from the video the use of deadly force was not necessary.
So the BART officer's use of the "taser mishap" in his defence was genius. Involuntary manslaughter carries the lowest prison terms of all unlawful killings in our justice system and would only require the prosecuter to prove criminal negligence.
I have some questions though:
Are taser's fired at close range? Point blank range? Particularly Oakland Police Officer's taser's?
If the answer to these questions is yes I believe the verdict is appropriate.
If the answer to these questions is no I believe a major injustice has occurred.
I find it curious that in over 1 and 1/2 years since the shooting occured, it was only recently we have heard the officer claim to have made a mistake with his taser gun.
My understanding is that taser's were fired from a distance. Am I wrong?
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»Justice has been
SHANSEN Says:Justice has been denied….F*CK THE POLICE!!!!!! NO PEACE!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiX7GTelTPM
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»justice denied?
denvp5 Says:That's exactly the attitude that caused this in the first place. Had he complied nothing would have happened.
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»abstract
wayne2008 Says:The officer claimed he made a mistake in grabbing his gun instead of the Taser, he said right after this tragedy occurred.
What I find hard to believe is the protesters are applying their to protest against all Oakland PD. Also they seemed to have forgotten about the four Oakland PD officers gunned down by a parole I seem to remember some of these residents were elated that the officers were gunned down.
Its another boiling cauldron of racism, Oakland is head quarters for the Black Nation, a group who believe blacks should have a separate government without whites and other races, I could be wrong on some of my information about the Black Nation. I'll look for a link.
I am a protester against what I believe to be mismanagement or corruption in our governments. I am an advocate for the ethical treatment of the mentally ill, and against racism,discrimination in all forms.
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»Wayne
curiousobserver Says:A Nation of Islam speaker I heard years ago in my English class at Modesto Junior College, as taught by former MJC professor Dan Chacon, indicated that his militant group wants land set aside for them due to America's history of racism. Talk about race baiters and haters.
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»Nation of Islam are radicals
wayne2008 Says:Ever hear of Liberia, this Nation was created by African Americans former slaves and supported by America.
It is now corrupt.
They have some land right now in Liberia, Africa.
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»racism if you ask me
wayne2008 Says:The problem with the Nation of Islam, however, is at least two-fold: (1) it is not the religion of Jesus Christ; and (2) it is preoccupied with "white supremacy." In his Million Man March speech, Farrakhan argued that the United States is rotten at its very foundation because it has been characterized from the beginning by white supremacy. For example, He said:
The Seal and the Constitution [of the United States—BB] reflect the thinking of the founding fathers, that this was to be a nation by White people and for White people. Native Americans, Blacks, and all other non-White people were to be the burden bearers for the real citizens of this nation (1995).
www.apologeticspress.org/articles/226
Sounds a lot like de facto to me.
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