Voice of Modesto… the voice of what?
Recently we here at the Hive have been seeing quite a lot of posts about “VoiceofModesto” and how great an on-line web site it is…(and example posted by Robert Stanford: http://thehive.modbee.com/node/16854 or from the Voice itself at: http://thehive.modbee.com/node/16905 ). It is interesting to look through the various articles to see who are behind this “voice”…
Many of the voices read are some of the same who voice their opinions right here on the Hive. Many are the same voices who have opposed the Modesto Bee for quite a long while (yet they choose to post and promote the “VoiceofModesto” on the Bee’s Hive). Charlie Lockett (http://voiceofmodesto.org/wordpress/?p=141 - http://voiceofmodesto.org/wordpress/?p=146 - http://voiceofmodesto.org/wordpress/?p=290 who also seems to post as “anthjedwards" as that is the poster for this article of Mr. Lockett's - http://voiceofmodesto.org/wordpress/?p=341 ) posts there. “ts” (under the name Emmerson) posts there (or at least responds there), as does a non-Hive poster (at least I don’t think he posts here) Carmen Sabatino (http://voiceofmodesto.org/wordpress/?p=170 - http://voiceofmodesto.org/wordpress/?p=396 - http://voiceofmodesto.org/wordpress/?p=103 ). However the majority of the opinion pieces written at the “Voice” are just “VOM Staff” or “VOM Staff1”… Nameless, faceless, unknowns who all seem to have a certain dislike for local elected officials and government agencies (and the Modesto Bee). (http://voiceofmodesto.org/wordpress/?p=241 ).
There are those that post just as “VOM Contributor” (http://voiceofmodesto.org/wordpress/?p=369 ) with no identification as to who wrote the post. Some other’s just post with names like: “power to the peaceful”. I’m glad those who write opinions to the Bee hard copy use real names. For some reason, an opinion in a “news” article just seems to say “this is fact” when there is a real name attached to it so there can be verification of the “facts”… In “http://voiceofmodesto.org/wordpress/?p=379“ the final line reads: “The MPD has yet to respond to questions”… That similar statement is one that quite often pops up on the Hive when someone does not respond to a certain person’s inquiry… then it pops up over and over again in other posts (related and unrelated) on the Hive… “You didn’t respond to this, or that, I demand a response”…. The style of this is oh too familiar here on the Hive.
It’s interesting that of the dozen or so (is that all) opinions posted on the “Voice of Modesto”, there are not many who respond. Could it be that VOM is not the “voice of Modesto” at all, but just a small on-line blog site posted by friends of a former member of city government? A very small group at that!
The Voice has a problem with its web site in that on the top of its banner (next to: Home, About, Contact, Rights) are the sections: “Water, Wealth, Contentment, Health”… yet when you click on those (as in: http://voiceofmodesto.org/wordpress/?page_id=302 )and note: a lot of advertising for the Morning Mayor show and the Sabitino Report – which flashed for a few moments on the right side banner – free advertising on the Bee Hive… NO!) is all you will find is: “Comments are closed”. Nothing to say about the “Wealth, Contentment, and Health” of Modesto"? The voice is selectively narrow. The “Rights” section is also “closed”,
I like the statement the Voice makes on it’s “ABOUT” page: “We’re not suggesting that we’re going to supplant the daily newspaper, but we ARE stating that there is a considerable gap between what happens in and around our communities and what is reported, and we propose to fill that gap. There are individuals, groups and concepts that are considered ‘untouchable,’ and we think that is very unhealthy and downright dangerous to the concept of representative democracy.We believe that there are untapped talents in our local communities — people who know and understand what is happening and how things are working…and are able to cogently express this understanding and knowledge. Not everyone with these capabilities draws a paycheck from the local newspaper, and we intend to identify and encourage them.
Be a little patient with us as we build this thing. Think about what we need to include — and, perhaps, how you might contribute. Don’t be afraid to contact us and share your thoughts, even if it’s just to give us a piece of your mind.”
From what I’ve read so far in the Voice of Modesto, the gap they are taking about is because those producing the Voice do not like the outcome of what is/has been reported in the Bee and what they are offering is a limited viewpoint. Those who contribute to the Voices words are some of the same who post on the Hive. Yet the Voice states they seek people “who know and understand what is happening and how things are working… and are able to cogently express this understanding and knowledge…”
Amazingly you will not find one article in the Voice of Modesto that does not go 100% along with its philosophy and interests. There are no dissenting view points or rebuttals. Not many comments at all for that matter… It appears to promote itself as a factual on-line news source, yet, there doesn’t seem to be much open and transparency of the postings. Just another blog of a select group’s opinion! I would encourage those who disagree with the articles written by Voice of Modesto to submit rebuttals if they disagree with what was written. I doubt very much if any of those contrary opinions will be posted thought. The Voice wants people to “cogently express” their understanding and knowledge… and I agree… it is important for responders to clearly, convincingly, coherently and rationally state why the Voice’s opinion is either truthful or flawed.
If the Voice of Modesto is truly to be a voice of all the people of Modesto (as it states), it should be open to all opinions on subjects they post (just as the Modesto Bee’s Hive is)… After following the Voice for several weeks now I do not have the opinion that it represents Modesto in any way. What it represents is a small (self-selected) group of posters who give a one sided opinion of Modesto. An opinion based on being on the outside of conventional opinions of the majority of Modesto/Stanislaus County residents. I encourage readers of the Hive to take a peak at the VOM to see for your self exactly what I am referring to. It will not take long for readers to understand what I’m posting here. The Voice of Modesto is not what its name states! http://voiceofmodesto.org/wordpress I’ve also noted the connection many who post for the VOM also have connections to www.blogtalkradio/morning-mayor (Mr. Sabitino’s radio show) – coincidence or …?
PS: Is “The Voice of Modesto” any relation to KPSR-LP – 107.9 FM Modesto? They are billed as “The Voice of Modesto” also… however a clearly different message.
One last thing.... Thank you Modesto Bee for providing an truly open forum for people of Modesto, (Stanislaus County, the Central Valley, California, the US, the World) to post their views (both sides of the readers views)... Unlike the "Voice of Modesto", the Bee is welcoming of all opinions.
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ahhh grasshopper you should listen more and you might learn
If you would like to make a comment on www.voiceofmodesto.org all you have to do is sign up just like you have to do for the McClatchy Bee.
If you want to write an article all you have to do is email it to news@voiceofmodesto.org and you might be suprised where you'll find it in the next day or two.
As for your comment...Amazingly you will not find one article in the Voice of Modesto that does not go 100% along with its philosophy and interests.
I haven't seen a list of interests or philosophy anywhere on the site nor has anyone told be about any, so what in the world are you talking about.?
And since you didn't refute the truth about anything you read on VOM except for to call it onesided, it just sounds like sour grapes to me.
So if you disagree with something you've read, instead of letting your imagination run wild about what might or might not happen, why not find out by writing something instead of speculating in the dark.
Have a nice day.
BMoore
Maybe The Voice will have an article about power theft as one cause of the MID rate increase!
Or
maybe a story about drunk drivers.
Ha!
That's right , better change the subject quick, because you can't change the conviction.
Deletion of entries: I write under my own name
I've noticed that The Hive is a much more open forum than The Bee itself, and see all kinds of personal attacks and anti-Sherriff and LE commentary, as well as race based comments that really demonstrate "freedom" of speech. I've recently posted here regarding my experiences with LE in Stanislaus and the effect on my life, received responses and questions, and had them all deleted within the last hour. I wonder what my transgression was that prompted that action. I write under my own name
Ha!
You're just a scared petty little man...goodbye j
Sorry FWright
I didn't see your entries so I can't help you with what was wrong.
Never Scared
and not hiding from my record like some do.
You're
always scared. You hide in caves and throw rocks because you can't debate.
All you can do is copy and paste from the savage wienie. LOL!
TS, Thanks for the reply.
My entries have been regarding one officer in particular whose conduct is widely viewed as (I'm taking care to be delicate here) inappropriate. Not a hit piece on LE: focused on one individual, his actions, the effect, and the rest. Istand by everything I've written as fact. They deleted EVERYTHING. Be well.
Bmoore
Bmoore, for your information I have never posted on VOM, in fact I have never listened to it nor logged on to the site.
I have however given my permission to some that they could use what I wrote if they wanted to for that site. This person knows this and has asked me each time he has used anything I have written.
Charlie Lockett
You?
That's a knee slapper coming from you T. Not only do you not debate, you flat out lie, and the best part of all? you know it. Your record of deceit speaks volumes when it comes to you targeting MID, law enforcement, and legal businesses. The Modesto Bee printed a story on you providing the details. The the rest of your story fell perfectly in to place that explains your behavior. The truth here, for you, is not debatable; it is cold hard fact! Toodles empty suit guy!LOL!!!!!
One thing that the Voice of Modesto is going to have take
the criticism just as the Bee does. Bmoore I think the Voice of Modesto can handle this. Voice of Modesto you can't please all the people. Ha Ha I see more like the Voice of Modesto then not.
Happy Holidays to your family from my family
Cheers!
Goldie
You always call people names but can't back it up
show where I lie in what I write j. You can't.
Pick one of my threads j and let me know when and where
you want to debate the facts. Here or somewhere else, it's all the same to me.
And we'll see who the empty suit is.
Do you know anything about what I write about?
I didn't think so.
Dunce got his brain fried up on Keystone long ago
Out in la-la land.
Sorry Charlie... You did not write it directly for VOM
Reading it (when a person's name is attached to a post), it just looks like that person wrote the post. I'll take your word for it that you have never directly written for the VOM.... The way your (not direct) article was posted on VOM made it look as if you wrote for it (VOM) directly and were supporting it with your writing.
You might ask the person who asked for your permission to post your posts to post "used by permission of"... there would be less confusion that way. From what you wrote can I presume that the other people who have articles in VOM did not write their posts directly to VOM and that VOM is only reprinting posts that were posted elsewhere (perhaps on the HIVE)?
presuming again?
When you write a letter to the editor are you writing to support the Bee?
When you post a thread are you writing to support the Bee?
I don't think so.
Most articles on VOM are written for VOM.
You're nit picking again.
I'll take your word for it...:)
Bmoore3. Just out of curiosity what difference does any of this
make..... Seriously.
No offense, but you have this long, drawn out dissertation regarding the VOM and then are questioning Charlies input.
Why is all this important?
Like I said, I'm just curious. It's puzzling at best.
Voice of Modesto
It's just another source of news. I think they should kick it up a bit and grow faster. But then again, I am glad they are here.
As for contributing to the voice of modesto - what would be wrong with that? Some inference that the voice of modesto is treasonous to the State?
Bmoore3 - you make me wanna throw up and die. I can't begin to describe the loathing I have for you.
But that's just me.
Jheaton.
By the way, how did your family in Modesto vote during this last election? I take it they certainly did not vote for me?
Bible and Rifle. That's all
Dunce needs.
I think he's on the edge of being ordained myself. He is that good!
I can picture him now in front of a 700 member congregation, giving a bible study on Immigrants and Muslims. The rafters would fall.
Bible and Rifle..........allllll weeeee neeeeed........
He'd problably do communion with cheap Keystone beer from the keg and Ritz crackers/sardines.
lol.
Well BRIV, to tell you the truth... the difference is
No offense taken BRIV.... but seriously, the difference that it makes is the stance the VOM makes in every one of its current postings. No debate, no response, no anything except a blog site for the voices of Modesto (which are all one sided). If it was really the VOM you would think it would make a bigger effort to “reach out” to all the voices (and you'ld see differing views posted). That is what I was trying to point out (and I did call for all Hive readers to read VOM and to post if they agreed/disagreed with what was written). My point was also that the VOM is not a real voice for anyone except a very small group who write (or perhaps they don't write) directly on VOM. So-many here on the HIVE criticize people for just "reposting"on different sites - yet, from what CL said, his comments on VOM are just "reposting's" also. So what really is VOM?
You say I "then are questioning Charlies input"... Hey, Charlie is the one who stated that he did not write directly to VOM. I simply clarified what he wrote. He made it clear that he did not write for the VOM, and that he only gave permission for someone else to post what he wrote to VOM. Just “reposting”….
Oh, and....
“When you write a letter to the editor are you writing to support the Bee?”
Answer: Yes, sometimes when the article or post directly speaks to the Bee or speaks up for the Bee. When I do write directly to the Bee, yes I am "supporting the Bee" as I do feel overall they do an outstanding job reporting most of the news (even considering they are slightly to the left of my political views) – everyone who posts on the Hive is supporting the BEE..... see next question ….
“When you post a thread are you writing to support the Bee?”
Answer: See above... You will see that I do support the Bee in its premise of providing a good blog site to express opinions… everyone who posts on the Bee Hive supports it… didn’t you read that what ever is submitted to the Bee is part of the Bee. Isn’t that “supporting the Bee”? If anyone is the "Voice of Modesto" it would be the Bee... it goes over and above to provide places for people to voice their opinons (Opinion page: Letter to Editor.... The Hive.... Visiting Editors.... Community Columns... ).
“I don't think so.” There you go again! Assuming things… LOL
“Most articles on VOM are written for VOM” - according to Charlie, that is not exactly true…. He has several reposts to the VOM… Makes a viewer ask how many of the other posts are just reposting of posts to other sites.
S4M...
"Bmoore3 - you make me wanna throw up and die. I can't begin to describe the loathing I have for you.
But that's just me. "
Oh how sweet.... so much hate and anger.... and while holding a little kitty too! I hold nothing against you.... you don't make me sick and certainly not enough to "wanna throw up and die"... If that were the case, I'd have left the Hive 4 years ago... You're not acting like the person you profess to be... I'd never say that about you.
B
Interesting blog. So... no one put's their name on anything at the so called Voice of Modesto, and not only that, not "borrow" material to add to the site from other people.
It's nothing but a small group of people hiding behind screen names. It's the Hive, but with a different name.
They don't have the courage to come out from behind a screen name, even on their own site. What does that tell you.
Very interesting responses from truthless. He seems rather defensive doesn't he.
Hmmm, I wonder why he feels the need to defend the so called "Voice of Modesto" so vehemently....unless of course...he IS the "Voice of Modesto". Why else would he take such offense to the truth.
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt
VOM is a Carmen Sabatino
deal with T.S. running both shows.. Great posting Bmoore3 and you got attacked by the ones who think they own the hive.. They are not willing to listen to anything that is not part of their agenda.. Carmen has a beef with the D.A. and with LE in this town.. Carmen should not throw rocks while he is living in a glass house..
Huuum. Well for me
I read the ModBee. It's a good paper. I like local news and an overview of all the other big things going on. Such as Tiger Wood ramming a tree/hydrant. lol. I look at WSJ, Time and MediaMatters quickly each day and it works pretty well. And actually the Hive itself bring on some good news at times.
I have not listened to Sabbatino. I would probably enjoy his show, I just don't have time. As far as VOM, .......never have seen it. But I am glad it's there. I give anyone credit for starting anything, but that's just me. And if the local Hivers participate, all the better as far as I'm concerned.
To me it's just like the Hive. You pick and choose who you seriously listen to and jive with the rest. After all it's a lot of "jive" talk and posturing. To me it's entertainment, especially watching Activist1 do her shuck and jive stuff. lol. And then there's always the religious stuff I get a kick out of.
Anyway, that's my take on it.
Thank You.
Bm3
Charlie lockett's writings aren't the majority of what is posted on VOM and Almost all of the rest of the stories were written for VOM, that is why links are provided. The McClatchy News doesn't own the writings of others if they are posted somewhere else first.
And regardless of your twisted reasoning, many of the letters to the editor are about what is happening in and around Modesto having little to do with the Bee.
Like I already said, the opportunity is there to respond to anything written on VOM so since nothing is challenged I guess everyone who has read it agrees with it...:) (that's your reasoning Bm3)
I'm glad you don't have an agenda realthing....yeah right. I think it was VOM that got attacked RT not Bm3.
The slimeslider has no names on its articles.
So what?
And it is just starting out.
Yeah BM - good post - but yeah - I am going to attack it and you in defense of the Voice of Modesto. Because I believe in it. And I am very attached to all involved. They are good friends of mine because I know them personally. And because of this, I know that they and their efforts deserve to be defended.
Especially by creeps like you and "your kind". Yeah - you know who you are.
I don't profess to be anything other than a promoter of understanding and truth. An advocate. Perhaps those words mean something else to you.
I intend to make it very clear EXACTLY how I feel about you and "your kind". In defense of those that are working very hard to better the community in which they live and hold the corrupt accountable. If they are wrong and there is no corruption - then who gives a rat's ass what they say?
Just because I said that I
Just because I said that I did not write those things directly for VOM does not necessarily mean that the other posts there are the same. I see a need for some liberal input here in Modesto. If you don’t agree with it you really don’t have to listen, but it never hurts to hear the other side, even I do that once in a while. It’s just that I am not one to take anyone’s word for anything, that’s the way I am and I have been that way all of my life and I’m too old to change now.
I am all for the VOM and although I have never listened to, that is only because it airs at the same time I am riding my bike, and I really enjoy those ten miles or so of just me and those two wheels. And then there is always a stop for coffee somewhere along that ride, and I enjoy that also. Now if for some reason I change my routine and that time slot opens up I will tune in and either agree or disagree with what I hear.
As it stands now I would say that I have no problem with my writings being posted there, in fact I am kind of proud of the fact that they find them worth posting.
As for the name Voice of Modesto speaking for Modesto, it probably doesn’t any more than the Voice of America speaks for all of America. Like I say there should be a liberal voice somewhere in this valley.
Charlie Lockett
B/S....
It's amazing that you promote your site, VOM, and act so unprofessionally. You were one of the people the other exclaiming about how Dan was out of line, yet you banter back and fourth with JHeaton, BMoore and ANYONE who won't kick-the-can in the direction of your 'camp'. Very few people will take you seriously.
With News stories written by "VOM Staff" about "Tea Baggers".... I doubt this thing will have any success. You are essentially calling anonymous blogs, "NEWS". Having screen names write your "News" dies bit give the site any credibility.
"I don't profess to be anything other than a promoter of understanding and truth. An advocate. Perhaps those words mean something else to you." -S4M
I think you're telling the truth Robert. Kind of. I think you are promoter of YOUR understanding of truth. You think you know the truth and everybody else has it wrong. But then again, don't we all think that? Probably.
You are certainly welcome to your opinion....
And I have dealt with your opinions before, not only being based on only what you read of me on the Hive, but even a mis-interpretation and fabrication of that - i.e. - that I consider all whites racist. That was a good example -
I don't believe that you have a clear understanding of what my statement that you just quoted even meant.
You use the word "everyone" too loosely. And further to say that if they do not "kick the can in my direction" - that is not correct either.
Anyone that reads your posts and your angst thoroughly here on the Hive can obviously see that an issue much larger than your Freudian relationship gone south with your dear old dad is far out measured by your lack of tact by rubbing "everyone's" nose in it.
But so what - good for you - it's all your opinion. I guess the only reason that I am even replying to it is only for the purpose of saying that I don't give you very much credibility at all when it comes to introspection of myself based to anything you might say - not because of what you have written or how much I know of you - only from the Hive - but in actuality, because that is ALL I know - and of that, you seem to me at least, to generalize way to much and condemn people with a self-righteousness that rivals Christ himself.
Predictabe Response...
HiiYa Abs
Have a great holiday season, you obviously hold two great reasons.
wah wah wah.....whatever Abs....but remember...
When I speak to you on here. You are not my only audience.
Activist1 & Abstract = One and the same.
Ouch JHeaton, those two comments you made were scathing!!
You state:
"Maybe The Voice will have an article about power theft as one cause of the MID rate increase!" OMG, I couldn't stop laughing even though I couldn't figure out exactly who you were directing that statement too, but then you submitted this:
That's right , better change the subject quick, because you can't change the conviction.
Ouch, that had to hurt!! I can only wonder who you are reffering to but I must say this answer had me laughing for a LONG TIME, in fact I'm still snickering :)
"Especially by creeps like you and "your kind"." S4M
Ouch! The anger I fear is swelling in you. You should calm down before you write: "The voice of modesto is a liberal broadcast and website"... I didn't know it was a "LIBERAL BROADCAST AND WEBSITE"... Do they broadcast also? I never mentioned "liberal or conservative" in any of my above posts. Thanks for the admission (since you brought it up). It becomes clear that some who do not agree with the majority of Modestians feel we are all "creeps"... "Yeah - you know who you are."... Yes, the greater population of Modesto and the county know who we are. I think with statements such as your: "I intend to make it very clear EXACTLY how I feel about you and "your kind". fairly well describes why those who voted in this last election selected another. Those who won did so in a civil manner... no name calling, antagonism and aggression, or accusations towards others. That is a lesson learned for future elections!
Wow.
I think it's very unfortunate that Stanford accuses Abs of never having had met him. Therefore he concludes she must not know what she's talking about. She can read, and she seems more then capable of determining what the words really mean. She's not alone, many of us are actually capable of doing that. For Stanford to treat anyone who doesn't agree with him like they don't own a brain cell, is silly, and astonishingly naive.
The "Voice of Modesto" is NOT the voice of the majority. That much has already been established. Having the nerve to call themselves that is presumptuous as hell. I would consider a name change, if they would like to be taken seriously.
Bill said "PS: Is “The Voice of Modesto” any relation to KPSR-LP – 107.9 FM Modesto? They are billed as “The Voice of Modesto” .
Is there a question of trademark infringement? Just something else to consider.
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt
Says
the slimesider...
Screen names...pfffft.
My name is Linda Taylor... what's yours? Coward.
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt
A1 - let him go...
by now you should know he only has one liners or repeats himself..... besides not really having anything constructive to say. He's
The gang of four from the slimeslider...lol
attacks and antagonizes and then blames others.
Surely you can hang around with better company than you are. Then again, maybe it's the best you can do. The teabaggers are in the house at the slimeslider.
Funny ts...
The "KING" of the attackers and antagonizers not being able to take it.... TOO FUNNY!!! And y'all take about "blaming others".... Evidently ts hasn't read that I'm responsible for all the troubles of the world because I'm anti-legalization... Talk about your "blames others"... garbage....
You know what's "TOO FUNNY!!!"
You know what's "TOO FUNNY!!!"
That is "TOO FUNNY!!!" coming from S4M... Mr. "let's write about what I want to write about but not keep on the subject of the thread".....
Now say the MAGIC WORD and watch a duck come down....
Useless...
Yes - you are!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfiQYRn7fBg.....
Ahh Groucho
the name fits you well. Your teabagging picture didn't come thru as usual bm1.5.
But like you and your criticism, it just doesn't matter.
then ts...
"But like you and your criticism, it just doesn't matter." Then ts... why do you bother to respond if "it just doesn't matter"? Does the truth bother you that much? LOL
bm1.5
You financially support a site that denigrates women for profit. Actually you acknowledged it when you were making claims as to how many hits you were getting n your photo website. At that time you were justifying your relationship with the slimslider.
And yet you attack others. There is no truth in your words only jealousy.
You expound on things you know nothing about. You were given the opportunity to respond in writing and chose not to do so. You were afraid to respond in writing to VOM because you would have been proven to be wrong yet again. Your meanderings would have been published...lol
Now have have no further use for you.