Remember

How was your night Bill?

I agree wholeheartedly.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt

the men and women who served us. In fact I did more than just " remember" and Bmoore3 malcolm brings up a very good point, what about the disabled veterans who use medicinal marijuana? while you are remembering , remember them too, how they sacrificed so that you can try to deny them thier medication. I know several disabled vets who use medicinal cannabis, because of combat related injuries. are you going to tell one of my best friends that the pain he is in (caused by an I.E.D) is false and the cannabis he uses doesn't work? While you "Remember" remember him too! 

I like your christ but not your christians, your christians are nothing like your christ. - Ghandi

 As I posted on my "ACORN vs Congress" post... there are some here at the Hive who have nothing to contribute except their incessant provocation... Mal's post above is again an example of his ongoing playground bully attitude....  he knows nothing else.  So as long as he insists on acting like a child, he'll see this response:  (Note he even does it on posts asking people to remember or military service persons....  has he no shame to what post he trys to dishonor with his  hijack? - How about the victims of your beloved prohibition Bill Moore?)

"Thanks Mal....

Often when I read Malcolmkyle’s posts I am amused, and amazed at his depth of feeling and understanding for his fellow bloggers.  In his latest “You are both prohibitionists!” post (which had nothing at all to do with ACORN) he wrote: “and have therefore aligned yourselves with the scum of the earth!” 

The reason I say his posts amuse me and amaze me is because he sounds like someone in the middle of an argument with a spouse he feels he needs to control.  This mornings Bee (Sunday – November 15 in the LifeStyles section G-1), there is an article written by Brenda Della Casa (divorce360.com) titled “Want to be right, or happy?  Tips on how to make your fights fair”….  Malcolmkyle’s posts always appear to shout “I want to be right!”; no matter what the subject.  He only sees the poster, and if he does not like that person, he goes into his “I’m the boss here, you will listen to me” mode.

The article starts off: “Arguing with someone we care about (or dislike – I added this) rarely ranks on top of our favorite things to do...”  That could be said about most people; however I get the feeling by the tone of just about every post Mal makes that that is on the top of his favorite things to do list.  Although the article deals mostly with how to avoid divorce, there are several tips that could apply to Hive posts.

Tip one is: “Don’t be a bully: (you’ll just have to open the article and read it for yourself – for those who don’t like opening URL’s – try this secure TinyURL: http://preview.tinyurl.com/yeuewqn  ).  It does apply here at the Hive also.  Jumping on every post and trying to shout down/name calling those you disagree with is a sign of a true bully.  Tip number two stated:  Make a decision:  “Do you want to be right or happy?”  “When we are in a heated discussion, the need to have our partner concede (also applies to “fellow bloggers”) can be so overwhelming that we lose sight of the common goal, which should be to better the relationship and come to an understanding”.  Well, seems some do not want to get along, or try to understand others opinions without trying to bring them down or calling them names.

When I feel myself being bated or about to be sucker punched, tip number three really does work: “Take a time out”….  It takes a lot of self-control to walk away in the middle of a heated discussion……    it might save you… from having to swallow a huge pile of regret and pain a little later.”  Ms. Della Casa ended that tip with: “A good motivator is to remember that we are all accountable for every action, reaction and word we utter (“write” for those of us who post at the Hive), regardless of whether or not we mean it and how sorry we are after the fact.”  Do some of those who constantly call others names really mean all they write or is it just for a ‘momentary’ effect?  “And have therefore aligned yourselves with the scum of the earth!”  Really?

When I’m called a name (vile - or not so), I often just wave it off as a stupid comment, mostly because I know who I am (and the name caller doesn’t and is only acting like a kindergartener who can’t think of anything better to say).  Tip four simply states: “Keep arguments fair”…  Name calling is a last resort for those who really do not have an argument that they can articulate.  “Good people do very bad, annoying and hurtful things, and it is important for both parties to understand there is a difference between disliking the person and disliking the action”.  I guess that is why I can honestly say that I do not dislike anyone here on the Hive.  I may dislike their actions, disagree with their point of view, not understand their train of thought; but dislike the person (?)… No!  However, form the tone of the words some here on the Hive use, I’d say some “dislike” many persons on the Hive (probably in life in general too).  The fourth tip ended by stating: “This is why name-calling and character attacks should be left out of the discussion, as well as avoiding the “everything but the kitchen sink” effect”. 

We’re almost at the end now, stay with me.  Tip number five:  “Speak on your own behalf”.  “Making grand statements about how your partner thinks (in this case, “fellow bloggers”) or feels” – think about it… do you really know how they think or feel or why they think or feel that way?  Their personal history?  Just recently BikeRackIV talked about depression (a personal insight) and that opened a totally different discussion on the topic.  Up until the time they opened up and let others in on why they felt a certain way, that discussion was on a downward spiral.  Understanding that you don’t know everything about the other person is a good start in learning more about why they react to certain topics (there have been many who had made “assumptions” about my background only later to write that they “apologize” when they discovered how off they really were)..  Malcolmkyle is “pro-marijuana use” and insists that everyone else who is against it is either evil, stupid, or uncaring; however he has no idea why others would not agree with him.  He doesn’t know other peoples history or what family dynamics have taken place to cause others to disagree with his position.  He only knows he wants it, he wants it now, and doesn’t care how others feel about the issue.  That’s probably why he (and some others) continue the name calling. 

Tip number six: “Refuse to participate in disrespectful behaviors”…  Oh such as simple thought, yet so hard to control.  Again, it’s like going back to when we were children and someone called you a name, you wanted to get back at them right then.  “Throwing things, threatening and verbal abuse are never acceptable and you have a right not to participate in any situation where you feel as though you are being violated or your safety is at risk.”  … And this applies here at the Hive also: “If your partner (fellow blogger) is out of control, It is better to walk away than to try to calm him or her down”…  That’s why I revert to tip number three…. “Just walk away!”   Shooting back with a retaliatory name calling really doesn’t do anything to help the anger of the person who is a bully.  It just gives them motivation and fuel to try to strike harder.  Walking away from their rants is the most satisfying way of ‘getting back’… it leaves them just sitting there stewing in their own solitude.  Might not be an emotional high, but then, it’s not an emotional low either.

Tip SEVEN…. Yes, the final tip….   This happens way too often in life (and here on the Hive also – something I’m trying to avoid… like the old saying about “fighting your own battles”….) - “Try to avoid calling in the support troops:”… So often you will read a post, just about any post, and you’ll see someone jump in with a topic that can be either related (or is unrelated such as my original thread and Mal’s comments), and one or the other party makes a comment to irritate the poster and another comment comes back only to see a stream of people (who normally will always side with the person who starts an argument/name calling) chiming in with support: “Hey, great post… You did good… Way to tell em… etc”.  You know what I mean; the playground always has the tag alongs who work better in groups. Isn’t that how bullies play!   

It would be a small miracle here on the Hive if we could understand what Margaret Anderson understood:  “I have always fought for ideas – until I learned that it isn’t ideas but grief, struggle, and flashes of vision which enlighten.”  The Hive has many who only want to fight (figuratively with words)….  Sure is nice when you can read “flashes of vision which enlightens” as many here on the Hive do from time to time.  We need to get away from the fights and follow the “seven tips”.  But then, I’m an optimist!"  http://thehive.modbee.com/node/16734

From your posting I take it you are a veteran (as I am who served honorably from 67-71 and my brother 69-73). I wanted to be clear on your credentials and not pass judgment on your intentions.  You and Mal have chosen to change this thread to a drug issue only and have forgotten the intended message of the post….  .  You certainly don't write like the proud veterans who served that I know, hijacking a post commemorating our service persons with a pro-marijuana plug.   

so your saying that I will only be credible if I have served? I spent over 10 years of my life on marine corps bases, my father spent 24 years, I however was not enlisted. does that make my statements any less true? I am not hijacking your post, I am however concerned that someone who served our country in a time of conflict would deny his brothers and sisters effective medication, I have nothing but respect for our armed forces, and show it every day. and by the way me not joining the corp had nothing to do with my choices and everything to do with me getting shot 9 times when I was 15.

I like your christ but not your christians, your christians are nothing like your christ. - Ghandi

No... not your credibility...........

However, be up front when you post.... you are for marijuana use and who wants’ pot legalized...   just as Mal wants’ it legal so he can do what he wants. If your concerned about service people getting pot, (if that really is the case), just post on it on your own original thread about it and don't just hijack others posts to get your message out. 

Until it is legalized I will oppose its use because I have seen what it does (two brothers were in the Marines, my dad was a Master Chief (MCBM) in the Navy (DI in San Diego for a few years also).  Lived on bases in the U.S., and in Asia - been there done that).  I've seen what your wonder drug has done too many... ripped my brothers and a sister apart for years until they got off it. It took the life out of my mom watching and trying to help three of her five kids get off that junk.  I am no friend of legalization after seeing so many go down that road.... and all but destroy their lives (and those around them).  So you'll have to excuse me if I don't just roll over to your (and Mal's) demands that I be more tolerant.  It shortened one of my brothers life and I just can't forget that! 

Now, let's get back to the real message of my thread....  REMEMBER those who serve.... 

Oh, and don't forget something else Gandhi (not "Ghandi") said: "Always aim at complete harmony of thought and word and deed.  Always aim at purifying your thoughts and everything will be well."  Gandhi considered these traits to be the most spiritually perilous to humanity: He felt "Wealth without Work; Pleasure without Conscience; Science without Humanity; Knowledge without Character; Politics without Principle; Commerce without Morality; and Worship without Sacrifice" were bad for the spirit.... Your quote is a very small part of a much broader and enlightened talk he gave.  When quoting Gandhi, keep it in the full context of what he said... it works better that way. 

"just as Mal wants’ it legal so he can do what he wants"

Doesn't Malcom live in a far off place where marijuana is legal?

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"Technology is destructive only in the hands of people who do not realize that they are one and the same process as the universe."-A

Maybe its a mantra for him and not for you Bmoore.  I have several that I use.  Let go Let God, now why would I type out the whole story to that quote....

Sometimes you can really be a dorkfish!

if you can explain so I understand, how did marijuana shorten your brothers life? and would you have all the liberties that our men and women have fought for be taken away just because some found a way to abuse it? ANYTHING not used in moderation can be a detrement.how many lives have been shortend by the overdose (accidental or otherwise) of supposedly "safe" painkillers? if you would like to take the CHOICE away from others maybe you missed the point of liberty in the first place. and I picked that passage of the quote because it reflects the hypocrisy I see in the world today, thank you for correcting my spelling tho didn't notice it till you said something. remember its not up to us to decide if it's good or bad for others, but to defend the freedom of them to make the choice themselves.your NOT defending that freedom your trying to supress it!

I am remembering them AND the liberty they fought for!

ps. my father was a gunnery sergeant and senior drill instructor in san deigo for a long time, he does not use or condone cannabis use but would still defend your freedom to make the choice for yourself! thank you

I like your christ but not your christians, your christians are nothing like your christ. - Gandhi

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt

Maybe he believes in change that is long overdue?

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"Technology is destructive only in the hands of people who do not realize that they are one and the same process as the universe."-A

Good Thinking.

Malcolmkyle just has to be dealing in the international drug cartel trade.

Nice posting

I think you got Malc a bit wrong. He advocates for legaliztion and for the government, and not to place words in his mouth the FDA to protect the product.

When I left the Marine Drill Field I took no time to decompress from 32-months of day on, stay on, stick around. In my employment I was freind of a gut who was a reserve captain in the Army.

40 years ago in the hayward Area were tracks of these high tension wired, and his the Army reserve Captain girl freind used to bring sho boxes of raw product and he would do the imbibing. I nevr saw that terrible aspect you state.

My familiarity with the marijuana predates 1965 as older sister and I walking to a park snuck a joint and said try it, I did and di like it. That was lat time.

Today this cannibus has been mixed with crack and other ingredients that the street vaariety is much different than the natural variety. I am sorry for your mothers dismay, and that Bill is sincere, parent's sshould raise tehir kids and POOF they are on their own.

Not all vet's and you knw this. Many a man I knew in the Mariens went back for the drugs which were prevalent.

Regardless of how you take this, I wish for you and family the best in the Thanksgiving festivities next week. I will be busy familiarizing myself with diapers agian as my granddaughter has been preseneted and that is COOL.

Lastly Malcom regardless of where he lives gives in my opinion a balanced view, thr bully you describe never allows a difference of opinion, you knew him asa a child, "it's my ball" and you can't use it. His videos are superb and very intelligent people speak to the medicinal and calming affect, I prefer red wine, arteries and Couvossier nightly...but in the evil weed were available....line me up