Where is the “factual” America?
Here is the story. It was a cold February 25, 1779. The British army dominated the American western frontier. The Revolutionary war had not gone well for the upstart Americans. Fort Sackville (in Indiana) had just been lost by the French to the British who were lead by Lieutenant-Governor Henry Hamilton. Hamilton’s forces wiped out the French garrison with the help of local Indians who felt they would be treated more fairly by the British. After the French defeat, many of the local French people decided it was best to side with the British so they would not be killed. Hamilton in just two months had positioned himself well along the frontier with a very small force which had grown with the help of the native population and the defeated French. He felt invincible after his victories.
After hearing of the fall of Fort Sackville, American fighter George Rogers Clark (all of 27 years of age) left the small town of Kaskaskia on the Mississippi Rive with less than 170 men (both Kentucky militiamen and some French volunteers who wanted the Fort back in French hands). After marching for over 200 miles Clark’s forces reached the fort. Not knowing how large the British forces were, Clark decided to bluff his way to victory over the British. Clark thought of a plan to make his 170 militiamen and farmers look bigger… much bigger than they really were. He told his men to gather all the flags they had and place them in an area where Hamilton and his troop of well trained British soldiers could see the flags, but not the number of men. At the same time, Clark deployed his best and most experienced woodsmen around the fort and told them to shoot at the fort as rapidly as they could making the British commander think they were surrounded. At the same time this was all going on, a group of Indians who were loyal to the British were returning to the fort from a raid. Clark’s men killed or captured all of them so the Indians could not report his troop size to the British. Clark’s men made quite a loud noise around the fort and then taking five of the captures to a clearing in front of the fort and in clear view of the British he conducted a public execution (with the captives own tomahawks).
Hamilton and his men were frightened by what they saw and felt that would be what Clark and his men would do to them. The French who had just recently sided with the British surrendered leaving the British and their Indian allies on their own. That day the British commander Hamilton showed his weakness to the area Indians and they also fled to leave the British to fend for themselves. Although Hamilton’s forces far outnumbered Clark’s forces and the fort was well fortified, the fact that Clark acted as if his numbers were substantially larger than the British, was enough to discourage the British into surrendering.
Throughout history there have been instances were a small number of one group has managed to overtake and destroy a far superior force. Today we have a very similar situation at hand here in the United States. Because of all the noise and bluster that a very small group of people have demonstrated (with physical demonstrations, marches, rallies, parades, sit-ins, court actions, civil disobedience, and outright intimidation), the majority in America have surrendered and given up on long standing American principles. Yes, I am accusing the majority of Americans of thinking they are in the minority because they had not seen demonstrations by others who thought and lived like they do. These Americans heard that their fort (their country) was surrounded and that the banners of the opposition seemed to outnumber their own ranks. They hunkered down in fear in their homes and places of work, fearful of speaking up in defense of their values. Fearful that the opposition would come after them as they had promised in news reports that were broadcast by the mainstream media. They heard the noise of the opposition and the shouts of “America needs CHANGE!”, and they believed the rumors that all was lost. Because they were not use to demonstrating or having to fight at home for their freedoms, they did not have leadership who were able to stand up and say “they are bluffing with their numbers… they are not as big as they want you to believe”… they gave in.
If only Hamilton had not given in to his fears! If only Hamilton had stood up and told those within the fort that the enemy was a small number and that they could fight them off and win! If only those who felt intimidated had realized that they were a superior force who could defeat the aggressors! A lot of “if onlys” I know….And history on the American frontier of 1779 might have produced a different result… “IF ONLY”!
Today, Conservatives (and those in the middle or right) in America do not need to retreat in fear that the progressive (LIBERAL) movement will overrun them with bloated numbers and overstuffed forces. There is no reason to fear standing up for what they believe in, the principles they stand on, or their right to uphold the Constitution and Bill of Rights. The numbers, when you actually count them, indicates the liberal movement in America has bluffed its way into power. With just a small percentage of citizens, they have taken over the media and used it to their advantage. Today, like Clark when he publically executed the captive Indians in front of the British, the liberal movement is going after (in a very public manner) leaders of the Conservative movement, the churches who are standing against the liberalization of America, the independent media who are pointing out the bluff (the sham) for what it is and stating they will either marginalize them or destroy them (eliminate them). Like Clark, the liberal movement hopes to put such a fear in middle and conservative America that they will have no difficulty in making them surrender without a fight. That is their plan!
The majority of Americans are being told the progressive/liberal movement is the MAJORITY IN AMERICA… That is a LIE! A DECEPTION! A BLUFF in the hope to demoralize anyone who does not think as the liberals do! They tell us if we don’t fall in line, we are UNAMERICAN! They tell us if we don’t march in lock-step with the liberal movement we are “NOT CHRISTIAN”! They tell us if we can’t see their point of view, we are UNEDUCATED or IGNORANT! They tell us if we don’t just roll over to their will, we are TRAITORS to AMERICA! The truth is, what they are telling us is the lie. Selling out American values is what is UNAMERICAN, NON CHRISTIAN, UNEDUCATED/IGNORANT, and those who would destroy our freedoms, our rights and our Constitution are the real TRAITORS!
It is time for America to STOP BEING BLUFFED! STOP BEING INTIMIDATED BY THE NOISE and BLUSTEROUS SHOUTS, and STOP FEELING YOU HAVE NO POWER! Liberalism in America today has taken a page out of history and used it to their advantage… the bluff – the deception!. If they yell and screech loud enough, long enough, and with enough money to buy off the media, they feel they can do what they wish…. It’s time to show liberalism they are not the numbers they pretend to be. Stand up and let the true numbers reflect what America is really about. We can not be defeated if we stay UNITED!
If you don’t agree with the way liberalism is changing America today… stand up and be counted. Don’t be afraid to speak up, write <YES- EVEN HERE ON THE MODESTO BEE HIVE>, demonstrate, march, protest, demand your elected officials protect and defend the Constitution, and hold your leaders accountable for the turmoil they have placed upon these United States of America! STOP BEING SO AFRAID of an opposition that is mostly counterfeit and fabricated.
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YOUR SO FULL OF IT !
American Indians fought so the British would think good of them.
This is just another bigot blog Dan.
I had a lot of respect for your blogs, bmoore now this one is nothing but trash.
Im a conservative and I can tell you right now you are so wrong, that this blog is now is just the same as jheatons blogs combined.
This blog is nothing but a piece of trash...........I also see no links. you defamed my heritage.
You knew before I had American Indian blood, and you purposely wrote this blog thinking I would call you a piece of filth or a piece of sh.......................
You saw
Stanford winning, and now its time to eliminate his supporters.
bmoore's blog equals garbage!
He's baiting me Dan.
I ask everyone
To realize there is no truth to Native Americans bowing to the British queeN or king. Bmoore wrote this blog against me and other Americans who have American Indian blood which many are on the hive.
I ASK THIS BLOG TO BE REMOVED.......REMEMBER YOU REMOVED MY BLOG FOR LESS, I ASK THAT BMOORE BE SUSPENDED HE KNEW YOU WERE WATCHING HIM AND HE DID THIS.
SERIOUSLY !
I HAVE COPIED
THIS BLOG AND AM WILLING TO GO TO COURT IN BLOGGERS COURT IF NECESSARY.
I ALSO ASK THAT YOU LOOK INTO THE REASONS AS TO WHY HE DID THIS. HE HAS BEEN REJECTED FROM THE HIVE COFFEE CLUB, WHICH IS SEPERATE FROM THE MODESTO BEE, AND WHEN I CALLED HIM ON THIS HE DECIDED WRITE THIS BLOG. TO DEFAME AND CAUSE INJURY IN WHICH EMOTIONAL PAIN WAS THE RESULT.
Hi Billy!
Here's another one of those damn liberals again!
In a column for the Colorado Daily, Corry argued that conservative principles of smaller government directly conflict with laws that try to control what we put into our bodies. Corry wrote: "Alcohol and cigarettes — not to mention 700-calorie cheeseburgers — are inarguably more harmful than a little reefer.
Go ahead; I dare you to call Corry a druggie or a liberal;
And here's another one of "YOUR liberals":
you're a fake conservative Bill Moore, and as a proponent of prohibition you foister your views on everyone else who wishes to partake of anything except tobacco & alcohol, through violence or the threat of it. And, I might add, with a malodorous pile of "phony arguments" and blatant hypocrisy.
Bid 'em in and strip 'em down Bill Moore!
Nice post BMoore
It is only a matter of time til the right, and ultra right wing folks in this country vote our way back into power. As for the Indians? Just on of many a past people who could not protect their land. Sadly, many Indians believe they are going to rebuild their nation on the back of legalized gambling!LOL!
jheaton
Whats wrong with them re-building their nations on gambling.? There's nothing wrong with that. They also have industries besides gambling......all these developers get American Indian money so if one is to include that, then all of this Modesto housing and building was built on American Indians loaning money to developers.
Easy for a hillbilly to claim they were victorious, when it was others that fought the wars for them so they can spew their hate.
Four world empires fought the American Indians plus rogue entitys sponsored by the railroad barons, who purposly spread small pocks also they killed all the buffalo. Killing around ten-million Indians. Yeah, in your mind that must be okay, in the real world its called genocide.
Couldn't fight them straight on, but instead killed the women and children. Custers last stand, the battle lasted 20-minutes, and he was hacked to pieces.
Looks like jheaton did not learn his lesson during the suspension.
BMoore
Stop "baiting" wayne2008. He is a big boy now and can put the worm on his hook all by himself. As for Indian gaming? Immoral and wrong. And not a surpise to see wayne spinning an anti USA message. I have blogge about this before, and I still am right. Lfe is good!
The US military...
Then called the army the US cavalry could not win the Wars so they instead desided it was best to have a peace treaty, which was agreed to 1876 Thats the only reason your here is that your fore fathers A.K.A carpet baggers were allowed to settle on Indian lands.
bmoore, wishes to spread his propaganda only to trap me into using foul languages. Which I have refused to do.
of course life is good
IMMORAL
Too
bad many of your beloved people choose not to be Americans. Now, if the federal department of Indian Affairs would be closed, it would be even a better day. They lost, they need to get over it and join the greates nation to ever occupy God's Earth.
last I checked
American Indians have been dying in the American wars, fighting for this great nation, it is only your mind that they are not Americans.
Lesson:
They are called "AMERICAN" INDIANS
sometimes they are called NATIVE "AMERICANS"
Eitherway, they are more American than you could ever be.
Do you remember the military deployment into IRAQ, the young woman who was captured by the Iraqi armies while they were protecting the convoy I forgot her name now.
But she was dragged to safety and protected during the battle by a female military officer who was killed protecting her, she was comanche Indian and she died, while the female soldier who was captured was later given medals for bravery.
Look at IWO JIMA the marines who captured the island and all who fought in World War 2, and korea and my cousins who died in vietnam, and up through all these wars, American Indians fought and served this nation. And you continue to cite them as being unAmerican when you yourself could be considered an anchor baby, on the hive.
my grandfather
was a code talker during the battle of IWO JIMA, and served bravely and you consider him unAmerican, so since you criticized all of these loyal americans..........I ask what have you done, besides being an anchor baby, to serve this nation which was so much better than the American Indian men and women who have fought and died for this nation?
What have you done?
Not quite wayne
I did not say all. Some Native Americans have chose to be Americans. That this is now America, and no longer an Indian nation. One thing I have done is to support people who want to support themselves, and not rely on the government for their needs. So take your spins and 1/3 truths elsewhere. You can also take your anti American/LE rants elsewhere too.
Quick, to the the bait bucket!LOL!
This thread has been educational.
you support them
How so? The treaty were signed so your not supporting anyone exept yourself. American Indians are not asking for handouts.
You in your mind again are under the impression Indians are looking for hand outs..........remember the treatys between the US and the council of tribal nations......
Remember this, there are seperate American Indian nation governments who co-exist between the US and themselves. They are actual governments not a welfare office.
Your thinking is they are immigrants, they are not immigrants.
American Indians don't need your support but you would like to believe that.
Thanks RichP
This guy supports those who support themself, yet has not realized 10 million Americans are disabled Americans and he said the other day they should pull themselves up by their bootstraps...I take it he did not figure out they were disabled if they were able to do that they would not be disabled.
And what about the senior citizens, he must have it in for the senior citizens also who supported this nation all these years, he now wants them to pull themselves up by their boot straps.
Oh, and by the way this nation is in an economic crisis not because of the poor and middle class but because of the rich wealthy,greedy yet see's the poor,disabled and the middle-class as to blame..............foolish!
Wayne... Wayne.... Wayne...... "...........I also see no links.
"you defamed my heritage"? Check this link: (ps... you could have looked it up yourself but....) - (http://rs6.loc.gov/ammem/today/feb25.html in The Library of Congress).... As for defaming your heritage.... "I was being rather generous in what I said and not what history said: "Clark believed Hamilton rewarded Indians for raids on American settlements" - (yes "Mercenaries"....)Moffett Cemetery in Milton, Trimble County, Kentucky. I have traced my ancestry back to 1765. I'd say I have one heck of a lot more respect for my heritage than you could ever imagine - read your history. The British paid for the services they received. Call me a "bigot" if you wish (just shows your lack of knowledge of history).
Because you do not have a clue of my heritage (am a great-grandson of Cherokee with many relatives still living in the Northern Kentucky - Southern Indiana area. My great-grandparents are buried in the
Wayne... you said: "You knew before I had American Indian blood, and you purposely wrote this blog thinking I would call you a piece of filth or a piece of sh......................."... now that is a real "piece of trash" if I ever read one. I would not bother writing a blog specifically to have you (and this is where it is really ridiculous) "call me a piece of filth or a piece of sh...."... (you want to talk about trash?) You think too much that everyone is out to get "YOU"... That was the most distant thought from my mind when I wrote that factual blog. Read the history of the story of Lieutenant Colonel George Rogers Clark and Lieutenant Governor Henry Hamilton's surrender... http://www.in.gov/history/2978.htm - http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history.do?action=Article&id=258.
Because of your self absorption (after all, you do think the post was about you), you did not see the point of my post.... to tell true conservatives (and center right moderates) that they are not the minority in America and that they do not need to fear intimidation (which you post tried to be) from the left when they speak out. It appears some just do not understand analogy between history of the past and encouraging people today not to be fooled by a bluff (which is what Clark did).
So Mr.08, based on the language of you "trash" post, you owe me an apology (I do not think you are up to it though).... just my opinion. You read things into posts that are not there… and you miss things that are. I can see why so many real conservatives/moderates will not post on the Hive. It is comments such as yours, based on your own fears, that cause people to think about reprisals before they give their opinions. You ought to be embarrassed for yourself!
Jh... the post was not
against Native Americans - the point of the post was not to be fooled by a smaller group puffing themselves up and trying to intimidate you. Please read my response to Wayne08.... It was to encourage conservatives to speak up and not be intimidated. It seems here on the Hive that is a ploy used by those who truly do (and I'll use the word) hate Conservatives and do not feel they have the right to their opinions. It's a sad comment of civility in America today when you can not give a history lesson (an actual event) without someone calling you names and saying you are trash and full of sh--- as W08 did. He says he is a conservative, yet he sides with the liberals so very often... it must be a case of cannibalizing your own....
You Are Right
BMoore apologize for the hijack and will star a new thread if need be. I did get your intended message and agree with you.
And not even a teleprompter....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHieqM1hKsg
The next generation of Conservatives... just one of millions upon millions. Yes WE Can!
bmoore
I apologize to you, now that I see the links. But no apology to jheaton.
How you can agree with jheaton on what he believes that Native Americans should lose their Nations and be absorbed is beyond me. He seems to demean and marginalize every race that is not white.
If your of the Cherokee's then history shows the Cherokee's battled the invaders first the Spanish then the English and European empires.
They were some of the first Nations to fight the invasion, for 200 +years
you're right bmoore, you're right bmoore squawk you're right b
lol...
It is only a matter of time til the right, and ultra right wing folks in this country vote our way back into power. As for the Indians? Just on of many a past people who could not protect their land. Sadly, many Indians believe they are going to rebuild their nation on the back of legalized gambling!LOL
As for Indian gaming? Immoral and wrong. I have blogge about this before, and I still am right. Lfe is good!
Too bad many of your beloved people choose not to be Americans. Now, if the federal department of Indian Affairs would be closed, it would be even a better day. They lost, they need to get over it and join the greates nation to ever occupy God's Earth.
I did not say all. Some Native Americans have chose to be Americans. That this is now America, and no longer an Indian nation. One thing I have done is to support people who want to support themselves, and not rely on the government for their needs. So take your spins and 1/3 truths elsewhere. You can also take your anti American/LE rants elsewhere too.
He says he is a conservative, yet he sides with the liberals so very often... it must be a case of cannibalizing your own....
I did get your intended message and agree with you.
Huh..?
I don't think this thread is about what you think it's about.
I still say I was baited
As for heaton he saw an opportunity to spew the hate for other races.
He thinks he's a cowboy. when he can be anything he wishes behind the computer screen.
What was the purpose of this blog?
Usual posts by bmoore are current politically, then suddenly writes one that is aimed at American Indians.
bmoore while your posting links also remember the time those stories were written in and not everything in those stories are facts, a lot of it is spin.
Those are blogs of old.
You just have to love W08
"bmoore, wishes to spread his propaganda only to trap me into using foul languages. Which I have refused to do." After posting what I thought was a call for Conservatives to not be intimidated, Mr. W posts several "trash" and "you piece of sh--" towards me, calling me a "bigot". He writes to Dan (at the Bee) "DAN I PROTEST THIS BLOG, IT IS BIGOTED JUST LOOK AT IT . IT HAS A WHITE MAN AS AN INDIAN"... (I didn't read that in my post).... He threatens to take me to bloggers court: "THIS BLOG AND AM WILLING TO GO TO COURT IN BLOGGERS COURT IF NECESSARY"... for telling the truth! He rants on about: "HE HAS BEEN REJECTED FROM THE HIVE COFFEE CLUB"... which I think is funny because the only reason I showed up for the "coffee club" was to let the left on the Hive know that I was not intimidated or afraid to meet with them. I find it ironic that not one of the left accepted an invitation to meet and have dinner (on me... which at the time Linda1 offered to pay)... The "club" rejected me? I rejected the club after meeting with them! These rants are hilariously absurd.
These ravings would be just sad if not for the fact that W08 has accused me of approving of the genocide of Native American: "Yeah, in your mind that must be okay, in the real world its called genocide." My ancestors would not have lived had it not been for the Christian school my great-grandmother attended. She (and my grand-father, my mother, and yes, even I, nor my children and grandchildren) would not have lived due to what was done to my ancestors. Mr.08 blusters and bellows about much that he knows nothing of, yet he has the self-righteous attitude to accuse others of supporting genocide. He should be ashamed of his actions on this blog thread.
Wayne08 stated: "your fore fathers A.K.A carpet baggers were allowed to settle on Indian lands." I did not know that Native Americans were considered "carpet baggers" on their own land. That is another piece of revisionist history...
"bmoore, wishes to spread his propaganda only to trap me into using foul languages. Which I have refused to do"... I am amazed by that statement as the entire dozen or so posts by Mr. W08 are filled with exactly what he "refused to do"... With words like that, it makes a person wonder how he considers himself a "Conservative" (with a CAPITOL "C")... Mr. W. accuses me of: being a hypocrite... "I would use the word hypocrit"... I find that funny as just a couple of weeks ago while visiting Clear Lake, rather than eating at a local establishment, I choose to eat at the Habematolel Pomo tribe's Konocti Vista Indian Casinos in Lakeport (great food and friendly staff).... and the second day at the Robinson Rancheria Casino in Nice. Hey, I eat where I find the food to be good. I guess supporting Native American businesses makes me a "hypocrite"...?
Mr. W08 is trying his hardest to find a reason for Dan (the Hive management staff) to suspend me from the HIVE for such hate and "hypocrit, but I am not sure if that word is punishable by suspension, so I won't call you that." So far is all I've posted here has been the historical truth (not hysterical). If stating the truth in a civil manner is ground for suspension... then Wayne08 should be suspended for his outrageous attacks on my person throughout this thread. What would Wayne08 think if that happened for all his derogatory "(using foul) language"?
I commend W08's grandfather for being a "code talker". That would mean W08 is Navaho. Just a couple of years before retiring as the site manager for the Employment Office in Manteca I was given the honor of being allowed to present an award to one of the last surviving Navajo code talkers. This was at the Three Rivers Indian Lodge Manteca. Because I had worked closely with the State Veterans Representative in establishing an outreach program at the Lodge, I was given a very beautiful and colorful dreamcatcher - it's a symbol of unity among the various Indian Nations. It hangs in my office where I can see it every day (even as I write this post)...
Wayne08 stated correctly: "American Indians are not asking for handouts." That was something my grand-father use to say. "Never ask for anything you have not worked for!" He was very stoic and wise. He served in two wars as a Chief in the U.S. Navy. His son served 24 years in the Navy (WWII and Korea).... I took his words to heart and have not asked for "handouts"... that is why I did not sign up with my ancestors tribal council... I did not wish to be a burden on them by seeking something my grandfather would not seek. He instilled pride in his children of his background and determination to make it based on his efforts. Most Native Americans have that same pride, just as most non-Native American American's do... They don't want a hand out.. just an opportunity to succeed!
Wayne08 has bounced all over the place in his posts, so I will assume that he was not referring to me when he posted: "This guy supports those who support themself, yet has not realized 10 million Americans are disabled Americans and he said the other day they should pull themselves up by their bootstraps...I take it he did not figure out they were disabled if they were able to do that they would not be disabled." as I have never said that, nor would I ever say that. But if he did mean I said it... I ask him to point out "where?"....
I hope by this point Mr. W08 has calmed down enough to see that he way over reacted and that his posts were over the top. I am sure that if he were to step back and reconsider his words he would find that his words were uncalled for and way out of line. I don’t expect that to happen as he has chosen to not apologize for some of the comments he has made against me in a very derogative manner… but then, he might not have remembered in the past when I too had mentioned my ancestry.
And for any fellow Native American who may have believed that I had defamed Native Americans, that was not my intent! (And I think most know that to be a fact)...The Chippewa, Delaware, Erie, Illinois, Iroquois Kickapoo, Omaumeg (Miami), Tawatawas, Osaga, Kokomo, Chicago, Pepicokia, Ottawa, Seneca, Shawnee, Wyandot, and my ancestors the Tsálăgĭ (Aniyunwiya (or Cherokee) is ok too) Nations….. all fought to protect their lands and their homes. These Nations fought so bravely that cities and states were named for many of them The intent of my post was to rally all “current” Americans (both Native and non-Native Americans) not to let a small band of people take the freedoms that are currently in America away and not to be afraid to speak up and not be intimidated. We Americans must never feel we (as the Cherokee would say) need to “Currahee!”… (Stand alone)…. United we can win back our freedoms… That was the theme of my post…. I still don’t understand where Wayne08 took offense to the point of his invective abusive tirade against me.
BMOORE
You misunderstood, many of my comments were directed at jheaton, not only because of this blog but many blogs before.
So if you cant accept my apology Im not sweating over it since you have never said anything against jheaton for his stance that the Indian nations should be eliminated.
Again bmoore
You never provided links, and in light of the baiting that was going on by other bloggers to get another suspended I reacted.
However I did apologize ....that should mean something to you, if not so be it.
My Grand-father was a code talker.........he was not Navajo, he was Cherokee (Tsalagi) During the war several American Indian tribes were used to confuse the Japanese armies.
He fought in several of the Pacific battles, where code talkers were used. He recieved a medal decades after the War, and two years before he passed on.
Wayne ...
let it go, heaton was the funny one here...
it must be a case of cannibalizing your own....
"I apologize to you, now that I see the links" by Wayne08
Wayne, if you will note I did mention to John that I was not posting against Native Americans.... What others believe I can not control. The Cherokee were advanced, they had a written language, they lived in log cabins, they raised crops and taught those from Europe how to live off the land in the "New World".... They tried to assimilate into American culture. Greed and hate was what caused all the problems my ancestors had... Not their greed or their hate.... They did everything they could to become part of the new America. You can go read the history books to see the whole story of deception. They were a mighty Nation. That is why I am shouting from the top of my being to warn Americans today not to let a relatively smaller group take away what freedoms we (all) Americans have today. The progressive movement is not all inclusive. They want power and they want it at the cost of all Americans. Native Americans learned the hard way about giving in to the intimidation and bluster of others. They gave little by little until their was nothing left to give... until they were pushed onto what the government of the time thought was useless land (Oklahoma turned out slightly different... until greed and envy crept in).
Wayne... you say you are a Conservative... yet, on so many issues you side with the left and stick up for them. I'm sorry, however it's like being pregnant... either you are - or you are not... you can't be almost... So either it's you're conservative (with a small "c") or Conservative (with a capital "C") or a moderate who on occasion will side with the left (that is a moderate with a small "M"..... ). But to say "I'm a Conservative... and side with liberalism... that's kind of an oxymoron - isn't it? Those are conjoining contradictory terms…. Kind of like, you either are here or over there, but you are not both. Call yourself an undecided “Moderate” if you’re not sure.
Oh, and apology accepted…. In the future, before going off on me, take a deep breath and walk away for a few minutes, look up the source (or at least ask in a civil manner), then re-read the post. If you still feel enraged… well, we’ll deal with that if it should come up. We can disagree with out all that went on in your postings…. Apologies are sometimes difficult to make and I commend you for making it. I'll banter with you Wayne08, and sometimes stanchly disagree with you... however, you will be hard pressed to find me attacking you as I felt you were me. Let's keep it civil for future references... OK? OK!
Agreed bmoore
I am a conservative many conservatives do not realize the conservatism they watch on TV is extreme conservatism, and many Liberals do not realize that there is extreme liberalism also and that is what our nation is facing right now.
Rush limbaugh started the extremism and that provoked the liberals to become extreme and so here we are.
Looks like Plagarism Tuithseekers...
Truths posted this...
http://thehive.modbee.com/node/16444
you're right bmoore, you're right bmoore squawk you're right b
new
lol...
It is only a matter of time til the right, and ultra right wing folks in this country vote our way back into power. As for the Indians? Just on of many a past people who could not protect their land. Sadly, many Indians believe they are going to rebuild their nation on the back of legalized gambling!LOL
As for Indian gaming? Immoral and wrong. I have blogge about this before, and I still am right. Lfe is good!
Too bad many of your beloved people choose not to be Americans. Now, if the federal department of Indian Affairs would be closed, it would be even a better day. They lost, they need to get over it and join the greates nation to ever occupy God's Earth.
I did not say all. Some Native Americans have chose to be Americans. That this is now America, and no longer an Indian nation. One thing I have done is to support people who want to support themselves, and not rely on the government for their needs. So take your spins and 1/3 truths elsewhere. You can also take your anti American/LE rants elsewhere too.
He says he is a conservative, yet he sides with the liberals so very often... it must be a case of cannibalizing your own....
I did get your intended message and agree with you.
Huh..?
I don't think this thread is about what you think it's about.
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And here are my words...
http://thehive.modbee.com/node/16444
It is only a matter of time til the right, and ultra right wing folks in this country vote our way back into power. As for the Indians? Just on of many a past people who could not protect their land. Sadly, many Indians believe they are going to rebuild their nation on the back of legalized gambling!LOL!
Stop "baiting" wayne2008. He is a big boy now and can put the worm on his hook all by himself. As for Indian gaming? Immoral and wrong. And not a surpise to see wayne spinning an anti USA message. I have blogge about this before, and I still am right. Lfe is good!
bad many of your beloved people choose not to be Americans. Now, if the federal department of Indian Affairs would be closed, it would be even a better day. They lost, they need to get over it and join the greates nation to ever occupy God's Earth.
I did not say all. Some Native Americans have chose to be Americans. That this is now America, and no longer an Indian nation. One thing I have done is to support people who want to support themselves, and not rely on the government for their needs. So take your spins and 1/3 truths elsewhere. You can also take your anti American/LE rants elsewhere too.
Quick, to the the bait bucket!LOL!
Looks like truthseeker must be in agreement with me, since he is so willing to steal my words without proper credit being given to me. Stanford got more than he bargained for when he hired this guy. Go to my Uncle Sam's Boot blog for the entire Truth on truthseekers.
And wayne, read you history and see how the Indians treated their foes bodies after the battle at Little Big Horn. Should make you proud.
Well stated RichmondP
As for the Indians? Just one of many a past people who could not protect their land.
I agree with you 100%, wayne, the genocide and subsequent oppression of the Native American in this country (and, to be fair, throughout the hemisphere) stands as one of the most embarrassing and unforgivable chapters of our nation's history. It's a shame that some idiots don't see that. Richmond Panopticus
Spot on RichP. Just goes to show they give a diploma out to even the dumb and lame.
My grandmother (mons side) was Cherokee and came to California in a covered wagon. I find Miss Heatons statement very offensive.
I guess I'm old school.... "C"
Conservativism: "A political or theological orientation advocating the preservation of the best in society and opposing radical changes ....Conservatism is a political and social term from the Latin verb conservare meaning to save or preserve. As the name suggests it usually indicates support for tradition and traditional values though the meaning has changed in different countries and time periods. ... A political ideology that embraces individual opportunity, public order, and traditional values....
A political philosophy or attitude emphasizing respect for traditional institutions, distrust of government activism (government taking over that which is not supported in the Constitution or Bill of Rights), and opposition to sudden change in the established order."
So, I am a Conservative with a capital "C"... a Reagan Conservative.
(here's one for the Gipper).....
jheaton
I know your just trying to inflame this blog. Yes I know how they treated the SOB you forgot to mention Custer was known for killing women and children after the men were in battle. his armies would have a detachment that would conduct raids on the camps with only elderly and children to protect them......must make you real proud jheaton.
Custer was a coward, and you see him as an Idol.
I didn't take the bait but I see you the same as custer, not in battle but being a cow......
Ronald Reagan
Was the greatest President of our time, and I don't see any candidates or possible candidates in either parties that can be considered like President Reagan.
And we (Wyane08 and I) were doing so well...
Well Wayne... looks like we've passed the pipe of peace just in time... I'm done with my own thread because the message has been lost to those who will argue over nothing more than the sake of argument. No content, no discussions, no nothing except for trying to keep an argument alive.
Well, so much for history being learned or people feeling the freedom to state their opinion... But then again, there are other thoughtful postings I can be off to. Take care W08.... we agree on many things.... even when to stop. Enjoy the evening.
IM OUT
W08... a short time line (by those who won and got to write it)
http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1008.html This is a good place to start to find the chronology of the wars... (from the view of the winner)... There are many other sites with the history of the conflicts from the Native American side (as with all history, there are two sides of the story and to get a real in-depth look, a seeker needs to look at both sides and meld them together into a three dimensional look at what took place. It's also a good idea to review what was taking place in European America as well as the cultural changes in the Native American populations to try to figure out why there was such animosity between the peoples. It's a very complicated timeline and a cultural clash between two very diverse and different groups. Even within the Native American populations there were wars (as there were between the European American populations)... Had the Americas been discovered today, with the current communications capabilities and industrial advances I wonder if the results would not have been much different (only difference probably would have been the conflicts would have been shorter, deadlier, and wide spread. The end result would probably have been the same... In the world today we are discovering the difficulties of living in harmony with other groups (even within the same cultural and ethnic backgrounds)... Human nature I guess.... Cain hated Abel and the trend in finding something to disagree with others has continued... most with the outcome that most will agree to disagree, while with others the outcome is war and destruction of one or both groups.
Even within our own US history, we as a nation have experienced many different eras that have caused massive changes in America (http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/eras.html). With each period the hope has been that people’s lives will become better and that we will learn to live in harmony.... Sometimes it works... and others it does not (Civil War).... Most of the time we have learned to agree to disagree, we've settled differences in a peaceful, civil manner... others there have been conflicts (Civil Rights era, Vietnam era and on and on - and in the case of Native Americans their have been lies by the government - treaties and agreements that the government broke.... kind of like today when we elect people to represent us and they do not).
If Americans can't get along with each other (and couldn't get along with the peoples who came here after the first settlers...) what hope do we have for the future? There are days when I open the paper, watch the news, listen to the radio and just feel like "tuning it all out"... But then I think about what America would be like today if our ancestors just tuned it all out and did nothing. Had the Michigan chief Pontiac not have had to stop his drive to push the British out to go find food to feed his people, what would America look like today? One significant act can change history. I think that is why Americans can’t just drop out today. When we see something being done that could change the social and economic makeup of America, and we feel in our hearts that what is being done is not for the benefit of the people, dropping out and tuning out is not an option (at least not for me).
Too many times in the history of the world we have read where had one or two persons spoken up, or done something, history would have taken a different direction. Like most here on the Hive, I don’t have much power or clout… however, if what I write affects just one or two people with even a little power (or “clout” – you know, that old six degrees of separation) and they inspire just one or two people to speak up or do something constructive, and on and on… then the little time I’m here on the Hive makes a difference. We all don’t have to be the top dog to make a difference. However we do need to be willing to stand together to keep this nation strong and free!
As I posted in my original thread topic…”It is time for America to STOP BEING BLUFFED! STOP BEING INTIMIDATED BY THE NOISE and BLUSTEROUS SHOUTS, and STOP FEELING YOU HAVE NO POWER! Liberalism in America today has taken a page out of history and used it to their advantage… the bluff – the deception!. If they yell and screech loud enough, long enough, and with enough money to buy off the media, they feel they can do what they wish…. It’s time to show liberalism they are not the numbers they pretend to be. Stand up and let the true numbers reflect what America is really about. We can not be defeated if we stay UNITED!
If you don’t agree with the way liberalism is changing America today… stand up and be counted. Don’t be afraid to speak up, write <YES- EVEN HERE ON THE MODESTO BEE HIVE>, demonstrate, march, protest, demand your elected officials protect and defend the Constitution, and hold your leaders accountable for the turmoil they have placed upon these United States of America! STOP BEING SO AFRAID of an opposition that is mostly counterfeit and fabricated.” History can be changed by a few willing to speak out… speak out while you still have that freedom.
Hey Wayne, check out this web site for some informative videos...
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x99ofs_the-idea-of-civilizing-native-ameri_people?from=rss
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