Not In The Constitution

jheaton's picture

There is no constitutional right that states a it is illegal to use a "racial" slur against a fellow countryman. Recent time we have heard the hate spewed from rev. Wright. Jesse Jackson has also used the label, "Hymies" referring to Jews. Let us not forget Jackson High/Low light taped when he thought nobody was listening, http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2008/07/17/jackson-also-used-n-word-in-taped-conversation-critical-of-obama/

Jackson's comment came when he was discussing Barack Obama, saying the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee is "talking down to black people," and "telling niggers how to behave."

 Jimmy Carter used the word "boy" while talking about B. Hussein Obama. Then when Imus made a "nappy headed ho" blast it was the end of the world. Even the evil and sick KKK has the right to use racial slurs.

Like it or not, these types of comments are legal as long there are no threats of violence involved. We see it everywhere from all different races. And the slur directed at the mayor of Los Banos, while vile, is the right of the speaker.

Sadly, guys like Al, Jesse, and our president realize that there is a double standard in this country. And an effective way of silencing opposition is to brand them "racist." The only reason it has worked is because many a white person will not stand up to these racist thugs. All one needs to do is substitute a white guy for Jackson, and let them use Jackson's slurs..... 

IDPNC's picture

Good info !!

Thanks for getting this out because the liberal news media sure would like everyone to forget about it.

“Our leader [Mr Bush] had so many bad points he was hated by so many that they rushed out to elect a new leader [Mr Obama] that had all the same bad point times twenty“. By: IDPNC
God Bless America

Worthless media

Got to love the Government Media Complex.

IF A RACIST CALLS A BLACK MAN THE "N" WORD

Which you have decided to write the full word which is disrespectful, but more than likely gave you a warm feeling inside. I consider it a threat of violence for the blackman/woman or child.

You continually take up for the klan, and the racist why is that? oh, thats right as long as you post a link it is your right.

There is such a thing called ethics.

It works both ways heaton, now any minority can call you any racist name in the book and they have every right too. yet, I am sure the bee will continue to back you until the adL or the Southern Poverty center gets wind of you.

So...if the Constitution doesn't state not to use racist words,

then you think it's ok to come on a public blog and use racist language?  I don't get your point JH.  And your language is extremely offensive.  Calling Jews and African Americans the names you just called them is hurtful on many levels.

Just because it is not illegal does not make it right.  Abortion is not illegal yet we both agree it is not right.  I feel quite strongly about treating all and human beings with dignity and respect.  Your language in this thread is not ok and I hope you delete this post.  It's downright painful to see folks referred to so disrespectfully.  I just don't get your point.

Stanford4Modesto's picture

JHeaton

I know you are the lap dog of the editorial staff of the Modesto Bee - your politics underneath are obviously similar.

For the sake of a wide audience, could you please lighten up on the outright racial overtones?

Race is the lens

through which much of American life is viewed. It has become the albatross around this country's neck, the unspoken tension which strangles open discourse. Having lived in Northern Ireland, where religious sectarianism reigns supreme, and California, where the racism practiced by members of all communities poisons the well, I can say that both strains of hate are flip sides of the same coin, merely formulated along different lines. The underlying causes are different, but the resultant cancer which afflicts the respective societies is the same. Mistrust, fear, anger, and an unwillingness to engage in open discourse leads to further mistrust, fear, and anger. It's a vicious cycle. I kind of liked Lenny Bruce's take on the language of racism, in that use and overuse of n_ and other vile racial epithets would lead to a kind of linguistic numbing and the diminishing of the offensiveness of the terms. However, it hasn't worked out that way, the truth being that the use of n_ has taken on a life of its own, losing significance when used among black folk to address black folk, but increasing in impact when used by white folk against black folk. For better or worse, it's contextual. I don't spell out n_ in its entirety out of respect for the fact that there are folks of all racial and cultural groups, and folks of different educational levels, who find reading or hearing the word in its entirety offensive. For those who choose to use the word in its entirety, it's their right under free speech, but the use of the word isn't free; it comes at a cost. Whether used by Euro- or African-Americans, there is a cost associated with its use. It becomes a distraction to the free and open interchange of ideas, diverting attention away from the issues at hand and focusing the discourse on the use of an epithet. Respect for the vast array of cultures, races, and religions is one of this country's greatest strengths, while the disdain for this wealth is one of our greatest weaknesses.

BikeRack's picture

Some people grow up without boundary's and any respect

for others. I have witnessed first hand this type in the military and other places as well.

They can be slowed down, but will always come back with a hateful attitude towards others.

The way they without fail are slowed down, is someone out of nowhere, knocks the living sh_it out of them and then they quiet down, but only until they can heal enough to spout off again. And the cycle continues over and over.

But they won't tell you that's what happens to them all the time. Rather they feel empowered by telling you how tough they are and think you believe them. And what other's must understand, is they think they have a perfect right to say or do anything they want to anytime they want to do it.

Heaton is a genuine racist, bull-headed coward in every sense of the word. By the way, some meek women are drawn to this type personality, but the healthy one's speak out against them.

jheaton's picture

My....

point has been made. Jesse Jackson can speak the above racial slurs and barely anyone calls him on it. I quote Jesse and I get slammed. What is the difference? Jesse is black and a racist and I am white and not. The double standard is alive and well.

As for Mr. Stanford the candidate? You are the one who has used blacks and hispanics for political gain. Probably one of a few reasons why you will not win.

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BikeRack's picture

JHeaton. It matters not what Jesse Jackson does or does not

do. You have to grow up and make your own decision as to how to conduct YOURSELF and take personal responsibility for YOU'RE actions.

Jesse Jackson does a lot of things I don't like.

The " N " is self explanatory

And does not need to be written out as though all the readers are ignorant.  But of course you knew that any sane person would have had enough sense to not write out the full word its an insult and racist. 

 Now the question: is jheaton sane?  if so then ask yourself why he would write out the whole word instead of just  the "n"word.?

BikeRack's picture

Back up your claim JHeaton. It's total B/S

"As for Mr. Stanford the candidate? You are the one who has used blacks and hispanics for political gain."

State the facts that bring you to that conclusion and convince everyone. Otherwise, ZIP-IT.

BikeRack's picture

From what I've heard it's an office in the Immigration Dep't.

with the State.

But I just don't know about that rumor. It wasn't to long ago he was pretending to be President, just for practice, I guess.

Seriously, he was taking questions from the Hive and blowing up other country's with pretend "nukes", putting immigrants in barbed wire pen areas, starving people and stuff like that.

RichP woke him up. I think he really was in a trance or something. For the life of me, I cannot figure out why Regan closed down all those Mental Institutions? What was he thinking?

AbstrACT's picture

There Is....

a double standard.

The history behind the use of the "N" word is beyond demeaning, and down-right evil. It's hard to believe that people can actually use it as a term of endearment with each other. But they do. While I recognize that there are varying levels of offensiveness depending on who uses the word, and how it's used, it is offensive nonetheless. The word should be eliminated from use in everyday vocabulary, no matter who's using it or why.

BikeRack's picture

The N word has been eliminated by all those that have any sense

and a minimum level of Social Skills. "Rednecks" still pride themselves in using it. That's why I have to tell them to zip-it at times.

Stanford4Modesto's picture

Notice how the Modesto Bee will do nothing regarding the filth

that is in this thread by JHeaton.

Yet they ban others for much much less.

The games some play.

Check out my facebook page - and see what Adrian Mendoza thinks of vache and his "troll" siminars.

Very telling.

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Activist1's picture

I get exactly what you are saying J

It is a double standard.

A big, huge, glaring, in your face, double standard.

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BikeRack's picture

Who cares what you think

I don't. Could care less.

Zip-It!

Interesting thoughts

on race in this article from Newsweek:  

http://www.newsweek.com/id/203695

I hope you all had a pleasant and safe 4th of July.

AbstrACT's picture

Elimination Station....

In reality, the "N" word hasn't been eliminated from the vocabulary of many. Racists, (not jheaton, I disagree with that presumption), are not the only ones using the word. Many African Americans use the word. Educated and uneducated people alike use the "N" word. Jessie Jackson is but a drop in the bucket of examples. I have heard Oprah speak out to the African American community and plead with them to drop the word in reference to friends, cousins, or for any reason for that matter.

Here's a question- Does our education system play in roll in why the "N" word is still being used so readily?

AbstrACT's picture

I Was Referring....

to our youth in the aspect of using the "N" word in social contexts. Maybe African American history is lacking and not educating people on the historical use of word. The degradation, the humiliation, the bigotry behind using that word. It's time to let that word go.

BikeRack's picture

Education play a role in using the "N" word?

"Here's a question- Does our education system play in roll in why the "N" word is still being used so readily?"

You answered your own question AbstrAct. "Educated and uneducated people alike use the "N" word."

Rednecks, regardless of single or parents and caretakers (jails/prisons) still use the "N" word at will. It's just a part of their personality and vocabulary.

It's (the "N" word) used to marginalize a person, period. It is meant to tell the African American race you are automatically "one-up" because you aren't a "N" like they are. Rather, you are better than. In street language, the definition of "N" and everything attached is not good.

I'll get right to the point on human relations principles. It's not rocket science to figure out why someone uses the "N" word. You either have commonsense in this area or you don't. As I previously stated in a post, it is used solely to marginalize and demean a person. And I will go even further and say it's used out of hate and anger for reasons that are irrational.

Maybe you can understand and relate to this AbstrAct. People that use the "N" word do so to demean another person.

Throwing the "N" word up in an African Americans face is exactly the same as telling a father he is nothing but walking "Sperm", a Gin Blossom, Split personality, Sociopath, not worthy of seeing his grandchildren, ad-infinitum. The intent is planned and the verbal weaponry is fired on purpose.

One other thing is the area of human relations and the use of marginalizing and demeaning language, pertaining directly to you. You have no choice but to align yourself with these kinds of people who use the ill-advised language. If you speak out you will lose what you view as your greatest weaponry. It's no secret I at times, denounce the behavior of Activist1 and JHeaton and to a lesser extent LSK. And I have no problem letting them know that. You have no choice but to remain silent with them, if you want to keep what you view as your best bullets aimed at me. In other words, you have boxed yourself in regarding your ability to be a free thinker and speak out honestly in this area, along with a few other areas.

I will tell you exactly what I told JHeaton. Just because someone else uses the word, does not mean you should. I personally never use the "N" word and like I said, tell people not to use it, when the situation presents itself.

Anyway, like I said, I am much more effective with explaining myself with words than those stupid pictures. And I did say I would get a little more serious and to the point at times, blogging on the Hive.

If you feel I am wrong in my sense of how I see things, prove me wrong. But do so in a mature and respectful way regarding a public forum.

Have a great day everyone!

I do see the double standard referred to/

HOWEVER, as with all offensive language, it is more than appropriate to use dashes after the first letter of the word and leave out the full print.  Did Jesse Jackson use this language.  Yes he did.  Are those who scream "racist" offended by Mr. Jackson using the language?  Doesn't appear to be so.

But, just because Jackson uses them does not mean they need to appear full print to get the point across that there truly is an undeniable double standard in our Society.  It, for some reason, is common for African Americans to call each other the "n" word.  That is something I don't understand but I don't butt in.  But for Jackson the use the "h" word to talk about Jews, folks, if that is not racism, what is it?

Adam Ashton posted recently about foul racist language in a city council meeting.  He got his point across by using the reference " 'n' word" instead of printing it out.  That is a decent way to address the problem of fouls racist language without propogating the the same problem.  See what I mean?

Activist1's picture

When only one group of people

can use certain words and it's seen as acceptable... that's a double standard.

We know it's a double standard, so what should be done about it?

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shooboxx's picture

This is a childish

This is a childish argument.  My 9 year old son knows that just because another child uses inappropiate languange, it does not mean it is okay for him to use it.  So this rationale of "Well they did it and on this blog, no one said anything, so thats a double standard and I can the term too."  makes you look like a child who has been raised poorly.

Hold yourself to a higher standard, not the lowest common denominator.

 

Activist1's picture

We're not talking about children.

We're talking about adults, and we're not talking about just any adult, we are talking about Jessee Jackson, a spokesman for the entire black community. He should not only hold himself to a higher standard, but the black community should as well.

Yet, he continues to use these words, and it is considered acceptable.

Yet it's not acceptable in any other communities. Doesn't that tell you something?

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt

Activist1's picture

So Jerry

What do you suppose the consensus would be if you used it?

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shooboxx's picture

As adults, you should not

As adults, you should not hold your standard of behavior to the lowest common denominator.  If you see, in another adult, unacceptable behavior, it does not give an excuse to replicate that behavior.  

Jesse Jackson is NOT the spokesman for the "entire black community."   To think that a group of people, with a skin tone darker than your own, all think exactly in the same way and are in total represented by one vocal person with extreme views, kinda shows your own ignorance.  Do you think Jesse Jackson speaks for Clearance Thomas?  Does he speak for Allen Keyes?  They are African- Americans too - do they get lumped together in the "Black" community you speak of?  

 

BikeRack's picture

You're kidding aren't you Activist1?

First off, JJackson is not a spokesman for anyone. Nobody is in public. Each person stands on their own and takes responsibility for THEIR actions, not the actions of someone speaking for them. That's absurd.

If he continues to use the "N" word that's up to him. It's not acceptable to ME. I would tell him also to not use the word around me, if I was in a situation with him that presented itself.

That's my boundary and it's not dependent upon who says my boundary is OK or not OK. That's what some call "backbone".

Activist1's picture

I said 'A' spokesman, not THE

The double standard is what needs to be addressed. What is acceptable for one group must be acceptable for all groups. Otherwise it's discrimination, and a double standard.

I could point the finger right back at you ShooBoxx, by the many posts on the hive comparing all Conservatives to Rush Limbaugh. He doesn't "represent" all of us either. Neither did Bush, but it doesn't stop the liberals from saying it.

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shooboxx's picture

You are looking for

You are looking for justification for usage of a word that is commonly thought of to be offensive.  Good for you.  You are within your rights to use it all day long.  It will be a clear reflection of your ideas and opinions.  Good luck with that line of thinking.  :) 

Can you please post a link of where I compared all conservatives to Rush Limbaugh?  Let alone "many"...LOL

 

Activist1's picture

No truthseekers it does not mean that.

You pick and choose what is acceptable depending on your own agenda. That's what liberals do, but if someone calls you on it, you start screaming the word racist.

So if I posted a KKK picture, or a white supremacist symbol, (not that I have any desire to do that) you would call me a racist, not only would you call me a racist, you would scream that I was posting "hate", but Jesse Jackson is defended for using the work "n". What the ..?

It's just like a liberal to do that.

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Activist1's picture

It's a double standard for one group

to use words that other groups are called racists for using.

It's actually the other way around truthseekers, it alway's has to be dumbed down for liberals to understand it.

You call Heaton a racist almost every day. You are trying to get other people to believe he is a racist because you don't like him. It's a personal vendetta.

Just like I said before.. it's a sick and twisted game by some sick and twisted people.

You can't have it both ways. It just doesn't work that way.

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HEATON BLOGS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES

One week of non-stop anti-immigrant blogs, directed at latino's then another blog directed at blacks and Jews in which he writes out the " N " word.

Then says he did it to point out that Jessie Jackson's at fault. Yet he just smeared millions of Americans.

 

He is a racist in my book.

And Activist1 is a troll "verified" by each of Activist1 comments.

AbstrACT's picture

The Point....

I think the point's being missed. I don't use the word, don't want to use the word and don't approve of anyone using the word. That's my point. I would like to see African Americans stop using the word as well. I don't think it's that the black community tuned a negative word into a positive. I think it's deeper than that. Most of the time they are not saying it to demean eachother, but regardless, it should stop. That's what I am trying to say.

Linda calling someone else a troll now THATS funny

Tells us about TKO linda...now If I only understood troll....lol

Activist1's picture

TROLL!

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rodeohand's picture

Activist1

 I dont care to take up any war with you but I saw Stanford yesterday supporting our President and Chief. He was in the parade. He was supporting freedom for you me and every body else.

Everyone should align them selves with Mr. Stanford. He aligns him self with us.

I dont know why you dislike him so much but you should put all of that to the side and take another hard look at Mr. Stanford. He needs every ones support. He is fighting for all of us.

 

CowBoy UP!

Activist1's picture

Thanks a lot Rodeohand!!!

Now I'm going to have this image in my mind of Stanford walking along the parade route dressed like a clown, juggling Muratore and Perine campaign brochures!

You know what, I don't think you're a cowboy at all, no real cowboy would be so mean!

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rodeohand's picture

Just like you said Mr. Stanford. Insults.

 All my nieghbors are voting for you and we are in full support! Every one that I talk to that comes to this web sight thinks she is just plum crazy.

 

Dont let her stop you. I look forward to reading more about your causes and your issues that effect us here localy in what you are making a GREAT CITY!

 

CowBoy UP!

Stanford4Modesto's picture

I appreciate that Rodeohand

I will and like I said, E-mail me and I will fill you in on the latest drama that has been happening off-line.

As well you can visit my website and click around to find out what else I have been up to.

You can follow me on face book, twitter and explore my multiple websites without the censorship of the Modesto Bee editorial staff.

Thank you so much for your support. It means very much to me. I will visit my old neighborhood very very soon, I promise!

Activist1's picture

Oh for pete's sake

Rodeohand, you're going to follow him into la la land aren't you. Well, be my guest. What he just told you is absolute crap. There is no "new episodes" of anything. I haven't spoken to him at all. The only new development is that he's now following me on Twitter.

Stanford why not post right here what these "new episodes" are suppose to be. You have my permission. I can't wait to hear this.

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rodeohand's picture

Thanks for your concern for my well being Activist1.

 But I will follow Mr. Stanford long before I ever follow the likes of you.

Mr. Stanford:I will be emailing you shortly.

Activist1:Good bye.

CowBoy UP!

Activist1's picture

I knew he wouldn't post anything.

He can't, it's just another outright lie by Robert Stanford.

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WHAT !

Here Activist1 had stalked Stanford and truthseekers before and Activist1 is accusing stanford of stalking .

Activist1 did you forgot about the cyberstalking of truthseekers and the stalking of stanford in the Airport district.

And don't forget about the DW photobucket mis-hap !

 

More false accusations against Stanford !

And more absolute crap by linda taylor

No one is following you anywhere except maybe your socks.

rodeohand's picture

Mr. Stanford wised up.

 He doesnt talk to her or any of those other crazys. And another thing:He doesnt need to. Who wants to read all of that "CRAP"??????????

Its plain to see he has a lot of support here. Her and that Jeaton guy are small fish in a big pond.

CowBoy UP!

Theres a lot of support for Stanford

In South Modesto, and if the citizens are talking good things they are also saying good words in the Airport district. 

Activist1 and the Gestapo's words are no longer credible to the public.

Stanford has plenty of support from the public despite, the personal attacks and traps he will suceed.

 

Robert Stanford for Modesto City Council district 4

Activist1's picture

Oh really

So he didn't tell you he is following me on twitter?
What "new Episodes" is he talking about because I just got an email that he was following me on July 3rd. Is it normal behavior to follow someone you are accusing of stalking?

You people are morons! Believe whatever you want!

"Hi, Linda Taylor.

Robert Stanford (AirportDistrict) is now following your updates on Twitter.

A little information about Robert Stanford:

359 followers
113 updates
following 735 people"

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Why not tell the truth linda for once...because of his political

website his program from twitter automatically returns a "following" response whenever someone signs up to follow him......SO linda taylor YOU signed up to follow him FIRST and his side program responded automatically like it's supposed to.

Why do you always try to twist the truth Linda?