What kind of religion forbids family to talk?

What kind of religion forbids sisters to talk to one another? I have tried to talk with my sister I never knew I had. Only to find out she needs to get permission to talk.
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I assume you mean besides proper ettiquette
As for children and ladies along with the wisdom of which the Holy Book offers in regards to speaking.
Hold your tongue, and think before you speak and so forth.
Sometimes your wise not to speak at every opportunity.
It would be prudent for your to read the book of proverbs, which explains all of this Tera.
Islam, is probably the most strict for women, however in the early christian belief a woman was to be silent while in the congregation during the sermon, which only hardshell baptists may still practice.
And also in the new testament the women were allowed to speak on other things outside the sermon.
So the question is too broad to have a definite answer.
I am a Baptist and this is still practised but not by force, it is only through scripture and many women will not speak during the sermon which is by their choice, as for most men they rarely speak during the sermon except for the amens, which is only to mean they agree, as the holy spirit urges them to speak. Anyone who has listened to a Baptist sermon in the presence of the Holy Spirit knows .......there really is no time to speak, as the word of God is a continuous string of words.
Matthew Henry on 1 Corinthians 14:34-35
Here the apostle, 1. Enjoins silence on their women in public assemblies, and to such a degree that they must not ask questions for their own information in the church, but ask their husbands at home. They are to learn in silence with all subjection; but, says the apostle, I suffer them not to teach, 1 Tim. 2:11, 12. There is indeed an intimation (ch. 11:5) as if the women sometimes did pray and prophecy in their assemblies, which the apostle, in that passage, does not simply condemn, but the manner of performance, that is, praying or prophesying with the head uncovered, which, in that age and country, was throwing off the distinction of sexes, and setting themselves on a level with the men. But here he seems to forbid all public performances of theirs. They are not permitted to speak (v. 34) in the church, neither in praying nor prophesying. The connection seems plainly to include the latter, in the limited sense in which it is taken in this chapter, namely, for preaching, or interpreting scripture by inspiration. And, indeed, for a woman to prophesy in this sense were to teach, which does not so well befit her state of subjection. A teacher of others has in that respect a superiority over them, which is not allowed the woman over the man, nor must she therefore be allowed to teach in a congregation: I suffer them not to teach. But praying, and uttering hymns inspired, were not teaching. And seeing there were women who had spiritual gifts of this sort in that age of the church (see Acts 22:9), and might be under this impulse in the assembly, must they altogether suppress it? Or why should they have this gift, if it must never be publicly exercised? For these reasons, some think that these general prohibitions are only to be understood in common cases; but that upon extraordinary occasions, when women were under a divine afflatus, and known to be so, they might have liberty of speech. They were not ordinarily to teach, nor so much as to debate and ask questions in the church, but learn in silence there; and, if difficulties occurred, ask their own husbands at home. Note, As it is the woman's duty to learn in subjection, it is the man's duty to keep up his superiority, by being able to instruct her; if it be her duty to ask her husband at home, it is his concern and duty to endeavour at lest to be able to answer her enquiries; if it be a shame for her to speak in the church, where she should be silent, it is a shame for him to be silent when he should speak, and not be able to give an answer, when she asks him at home. 2. We have here the reason of this injunction: It is God's law and commandment that they should be under obedience (v. 34); they are placed in subordination to the man, and it is a shame for them to do any thing that looks like an affectation of changing ranks, which speaking in public seemed to imply, at least in that age, and among that people, as would public teaching much more: so that the apostle concludes it was a shame for women to speak in the church, in the assembly. Shame is the mind's uneasy reflection on having done an indecent thing. And what more indecent than for a woman to quit her rank, renounce the subordination of her sex, or do what in common account had such aspect and appearance? Note, Our spirit and conduct should be suitable to our rank. The natural distinctions God has made, we should observe. Those he has placed in subjection to others should not set themselves on a level, nor affect or assume superiority. The woman was made subject to the man, and she should keep her station and be content with it. For this reason women must be silent in the churches, not set up for teachers; for this is setting up for superiority over the man.
I am sorry, I am lost here
I am sorry, I am lost here in these words.
One must hold their tonge at
One must hold their tonge at times, this is correct. I have held mine tonge on this issue for over 10 years. I still have no answers.
Tara then don't hold you're tongue
If your not in assembly ask your questions now, speak your peace there are many women and men who speak freely, we are not in Church, though the Holy Spirit may lack amongst others we can try to answer your questions God willing.
Tara! Hear the words that I have typed above as only...
those addressing the Apostle Paul’s prohibition concerning speaking IN THE CHURCH. Brother Wayne is correct. You are not in any assembly (in here) and there is equal footing here, so please, I concur with Wayne bring forth your concern, if you will, that men and women here of God may pray that God grant you knowledge concerning your petition, through God the Holy Spirit. For there is no good thing that comes from men, BUT from God. Do you Christ as your Lord and Savior? Does Christ know you?
Yes
Once again, what kind of religion forbids sisters to talk?
I am seeking honest answers. I am not just blogging around. Would this type of
religion hurt my sister? When you answer this question answer it like it was your sister.
Tara, I am affraid I do not have enough information
when you say "talk" you mean AT ALL? Only occults try to segregate and isolate its members so that a violent forcible reprogramming of the mind can begin to occur. You see, a "religion" operating in the sense of forced "control" is merely a cover up for the works of evil!
Religion is not as important as knowing the One and only Living True God.
More info would be helpful.
TARA
First you need to explain are you speaking of yourself, and as far as Christianity, there are many sections of the belief in the Christ, first the Baptist were the first Members of the Christ's church and then the Catholics came along with the new Government of the Roman Empire . though both believe in the Same God we have different beliefs as far as women speaking in the Church.
For instance Methodist and Protestants believe women should become priests and teach men which is against the teachings of the new testament.
And the Baptist believe the women should be silent and not usurp the man while in church meaning the main gathering or sermon.
Why? becuase eve had been decieved when she spoke to the devil and ate of the fruit and then shared the fruit with Adam which condemned man to death, and brought about the curse of death.
Your sister needs to accept the Christ and not worry so much, once she is saved by the lord, every day is just another day, and any day the lord may return and bring us all to heaven.
Ask your sister who she has to get permission from in order to
talk to you. Only then, will anyone know what you are talking about. You most likely find your own answer by what your sister says.
Peace Out.
will repost again
will repost again
I wish I knew
the answer, Tara. I know of no true Christian denomination that would forbid sisters from talking to one another. I know the there is nothing in the Catholic Church teaching that forbids sisters from speaking to each other. Could it be that the woman in question was given guidance by someone in authority to not speak to you?
I will repost again. Must
I will repost again. Must becareful.
Anabaptists....
Amish communities are Anabaptists and normally maintain a degree of separation from non-Amish communities. If one is excommunicated or chooses to leave, they are shunned.
that's true, Abstract
I had forgotten that some denominations employ the use of 'shunning'. That might be what is going on here.
Monks & Nuns I believe shun
Monks even have silence as a form of devotion, which makes no sense to me. Nun's I believe do shun those who have fallen from their grace.
As for ana-Baptists in modern-day I have never once seen such in a Baptists congregation for if one member needs help all come to that members aide, I know of none, unless you speak of the Amish, and German Baptists though Baptists may have done that a century ago.
Something worldly went wrong and the sister is probably Catholic
By Catholic I mean the "old fashioned original" Catholic.
Prior to the Code of Canon Law of 1983, the Catholic Church expected (known as excommunication vitandi) the faithful to shun an excommunicated member in secular matters. It's practiced by all members, not just nuns.
Jehovah's Witnesses also practice shunning and to the extreme, I might add.
Hi Wayne. Have a good day. Your right about Baptists, I've never seen anyone avoided in the church I go to, face to face or behind their backs. Thanks for mentioning that. It's because there are no high authority "orders" to do so and Baptists in general are compassionate to frailty.
Scientology.....
has their own form of shunning as well.
For the Baptists who have never witnessed shunning in their churches, it's probably because it's not an Anabaptist Church. Most people don't know about it or know someone in this kind of situation, because they generally keep themselves separated from the rest of society.
The Jehovah's Wittnesses shun
too. Family members not allowed to talk to each other. It can be very sad.
Isn't it all about control?
oops...BikeRack..you already listed them
So many religions feel the need to justify having power and control over their followers rather than letting the personal relationship we have with God resolve the issues we face.
Your right Bikerack
I believe it maybe in the Churches that have Heads to coordinate business and hand out penalty's for sin's.
As you may see just from what is written, this is against the way the new testament church should be organized, and God hands out penalty's other than exclusion which is written the punishment necessary according to the Apostles.
Jesus the Christ is the only Head of the Church, according to the New Testament teachings. No man shall be head of the Church.
there is no teaching in the Catholic Church
that promotes shunning.
The devotional practices of Religious vary from sect to sect. To misrepresent them is horrible.
Catholics, under the old form of Canon Law, were encouraged to avoid those who preached heresy. We are still encouraged to do so. Anyone with half a brain will avoid those who preach heresy; otherwise you may end up in a bunker, planning to murder little Black children,drive around Chicago and shoot people of color in order to cleanse the earth or shooting doctors who give late-term abortions.
Jesus Christ, being the Head of The Catholic Church, preaches forgiveness but also warns against vipers. I interpret that to mean it would be safe to stay away from snakes as well as stay away from human beings who are so full of hatred as to be full of poison. However, my interpretation may be wrong.
I still cannot give Tara an answer as to what type of religion 'forbids' sisters from speaking. There is NO doctrine or dogma in a legit Christian denomination or the Catholic Church which instructs, specifically, for one sibling to not speak to another. HOWEVER, very wise and holy men and women have given good counsel to people in distress that oftentimes includes the advice to stay away from lying, bigotted, drunken, physically abusive, people. That would hardly be poor advice.
NONE OF US HAVE ANY IDEA why Tara's sister was told not to talk to another sister. We don't even know who Tara is or where she lives. The short answer to her question should be, "I don't know".
False statement you made LSK
The Catholic Religion is open about this matter and in fact denounced the practice. It is not in cases of where you say Baptists killed little Black children either, ad-infinitum.
Prior to the Code of Canon Law of 1983, the Catholic Church expected (known as excommunication vitandi) the faithful to shun an excommunicated member in secular matters.
That's fact. Look it up and you will find the statement is true. Or ask any educated Catholic Church leader about it.
All have missed the point.
We do not have enough information in this matter. So it is futile and sinful to attempt to "read the mind of the author" and be so moved by assumption as to attempt to delineate upon some conlusion with out complete context of the question at hand. A whirl wind of speculation and intellectual diarreah has been displayed here. I myself am not excluded.
Agreed! And you're diarrhea is included ol' intellectual one?
"Only occults try to segregate and isolate its members so that a violent forcible reprogramming of the mind can begin to occur. You see, a "religion" operating in the sense of forced "control" is merely a cover up for the works of evil!"
May God Bless!
Speculation...
There's a lot of speculation on this blog, because there's a lack of background information from the author. But I think we've cover a lot of options that could be the answer.
Control. I agree. Outsiders threaten their stronghold on their communities. That's a good answer as to why the shunning, why rules and policies within. I guess that's what all societies do, but they do it on a more extreme scale.
Intellectual
bigotry shows no boundaries....oh well. Tara, I hope you find a way to communicate with your sister. You are in my prayers.