A Question of Credibility Concerning the Sheriff...

I do like the idea that you want him to offer proof as to what he says as being the truth. However, I would not hold my breath for him to respond. I don't think you will be on his Christmas Card list this year.

Although some feel the need to imitate him.

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Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

I dont understand why he cannot answer your questions online, as long as the questions have nothing to do with the current lawsuits.

Like why he is allowing the needle giveaway to continue.

Flex?

Robert Stanford
Candidate for Modesto City Council
District 4

Excellent post and timeline. It is very easy to over look the timing of AC's comments and how they relate to the on-going concerns.  I wonder, do you know if the Del Rio community deputy is still there? I know Robert said he lost his community deputy. Just curious if Del Rio still has theirs.....

And just a side note, In the decentalization article, I find it interesting Heyne talks about the deputies being able to interact more closely with farmers and business people. If that ability is an important trait to Heyne, then how come so many employees, on the survey, commented on the fact that they don't know who he is, never see him??  Do as I say, not as I do?

I hear AC - is thinking about pushing it somewhere else.

Robert Stanford
Candidate for Modesto City Council
District 4

Why would the Sheriff come on here and answer questions when it's clear all you guys would try and do is find fault with everything he says?  

He spends enough time reading everything on here and getting worked up about it.

Maybe he could channel through you and answer some of this.

Seems to me that's already been happening.

Tell me Smithma - why are we being subjected to the distribution of 800 to 1000 or more new syringes per month in our community.

Do you think the Sheriff is just trying to show me who is boss?

Robert Stanford
Candidate for Modesto City Council
District 4

Robert, why do you continue to blog things that are not true?  I have not spoken with the Sheriff since sometime last year.  I have no intention of channeling anything from him to you on here.  If he wants to post on here that's up to him, but if I were him I wouldn't do it seeing what you guys are all about.  The only reason I even post on here is to balance out the one sided witch hunt. 

Thanks Cadence,

My understanding is that the Sheriff's department pulled the deputy out a couple months ago from the Del Rio Country Club location.

However, the Country Club says the Sheriff's Department still has an office there that is STILL being utilized by Deputies. Its next to the Tennis Pro's office at the Tennis Courts.    Nice duty if you can get it.  

How about this idea.......

Moving deputies out of the communities, to put deputies in the communities.... wow... what a concept. Does this make sense? Of course it doesn't.

I don't believe this plan of decentralization was planned out well, nor implemented intelligently. The consequence has resulted in which the presence of deputies in the community has not been increased, but rather their absence has been felt in many communities.   Where was the public input to this decentralization plan?  Where was the "partnership with the community" part of this?    Where was the input from the rank and file?  This plan appears to have been jammed down the throats of both the deputies and the community itself.  

Adam preached community policing specificially citing the criticality of community deputies, but then changed to decentralization which  is then the opposite, and contradicts his own statements.   Is this inconsistent??? I think so.    Is it disingenuous???   I think so... Do we have a management team at the Sheriff's office running amok, and out of control??   sure sounds like it!!!    I think we do.  It sounds like many of the Sheriff's Department employees feel the same. 

I do not expect the Sheriff to respond in the blog, after all, he's just a "blog-room peeping 1000 lb Gorilla that doesn't speak", metaphorically speaking of course.  However, I would certainly hope that Carmen Sabatino would ask him some tough questions POINT BLANK on the radio show.  

We the citizens deserve the answers.   

Thanks for the comments,

Shamott

In July 2206 after taking his oath of office...Christianson participated in a question and answer session with the Bee.

Q.  Do you have any pet projects that you hope to work on during your tenure?

Cristianson: I want to put together a five-year strategic plan that outlines our priorities.  Also, I want to put together an advisory council that will meet on a quarterly basis, to make sure we're listening to the needs and concerns of the community.  We'll make sure we're good stewards of the taxpayers' money.

BG:  You were elected to a four year term...why would you outline a five year plan? 

BG: Have you put together an advisory council....and who is on it? 

BG: Please explain how your purchase of Mounted Unit and DSA equipment makes you a good steward of the tax payers' money?

Yeah - sure.

So then why don't you tell me why he refuses to do anything about the distribution of needles in our community?

You have not problem dispelling myths of sports cars and other meaningless things.

Channel for me Smithma - Channel.

Why is the Sheriff allowing this to continue?

Robert Stanford
Candidate for Modesto City Council
District 4

What I hear is that the sheriff's support is waning extremely fast in the community itself and and more importantly, amongst the deputies and SO employees themselves.   They are finally seeing that the majority of what comes out of his mouth in public is the rhetoric and repetition we've grown to know, there isn't much of any real substance.  

An example of the rhetoric is the fact that he has yet to form this citizens advisory committee of any kind.  Not much needs to be said about that.  Just another disingenuous comment by the "1000 lb Gorilla".

Thanks

and Shamott is Captain IMO, and Captain IMO is Glendle.

Now that's an all out effort. Hmmmm.

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Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

Robert, "So then why don't you tell me why he refuses to do anything about the distribution of needles in our community?"

I'm not going to tell you because I have no idea why.  What part of I have not talked to him since some time last year are you not understanding?  I don't even know that you're telling the truth about this.  The only place I have heard or seen mention of a needle exchange is from you on here. 

Robert, "You have not problem dispelling myths of sports cars and other meaningless things."

If it's so meaningless why did you accuse the Sheriff of it?  And I can dispell that rumor because I have seen him in the car and I know it was not what you claimed it to be.  There is also at least one other member of the Sheriff's management team that I have also seen driving a Dodge Charger.  They may even have more, but I have seen those two and neither is a converible.   I have this little problem of only stating things as facts when I know them to be true.

if you have not already.

You bring so much to the question of Christianson's ability to lead the SO and serve our community.

It will be interesting to see what AC will have to say.

My opinion is that AC will be doing this to serve himself...do you think he will discuss information brought to the Hive?

Will he try to portray issues discussed here on the Hive as having an anti-Christianson platform?

It will be interesting....AC is best at tooting his own horn....we will just have to see. 

Well it's true. It is happening.

Even AC himself has been caught in lies about it, trying to cover up his inaction.

Robert Stanford
Candidate for Modesto City Council
District 4

You guys are unwilling listen to anyone who has anything good to say about A.C. I have spoken with several deputies at the SSD and they are satisfied with his leadership. He has taken the ship over during tough financial times and he has had to make some tough decisions. I have never known A.C. to lie and he tells it like he see's it. You may not like those answers and thats why you people are bitching. You people are no different than some bad cop kicking a man that is handcuffed, laying on the ground and can't defend himself. It is my understanding that there is still people within the SSD who were heavy supporters of Puthuff that ran  "amuck" while Puthuff was acting Sheriff. Now that A.C. is sheriff those people are unhappy and causing problems within the SSD and giving bad info to the public. I saw A.C. the other day driving a charger and it was not convertable so drop the B.S. info. All agencies are sometimes contracted to buy certian vehicles and those recently are chargers. He is not driving anything different that another Sheriff would drive. Stop with the B.S. If you now some facts then put them out then...

Christianson.

Please state your opinions about why you feel AC is doing a good job.  I will listen. 

You don't have to support your opinions with facts...I will still listen.

I am in a position to have information that you may not have or know about AC and his leadership. 

I would hope that you will listen to what I have to say..even if you do not agree.

I do not agree with your opinion that Puthuff supporters are causing problems and giving bad information.

I have heard many here on the Hive state that they were Christianson supporters who found they made a big mistake...and want to help make things better by exposing what is going on down at the SO.  Most of the people I hear who are the most vocal...feel compelled to right the wrong.  They feel quilty about helping to get AC into the office.  That tells me a great deal..but you do not have to agree.

I have a different opinion about Christianson lying...but you do not have to agree with me.  I realize you may not know specific details that would give you a different view.

I am putting out facts.   My post about the question and answer was taken directly from the Bee...July 12th, 2006.  I do want anwers to the questions I posted.

You have your opinions..and I will not attack you for them.  I have been attacked repeatedly for mine.

It is very hard for some who feel loyal to AC to hear the facts and issues that are being brought to light. 

I'm sure, as you said, those who were very active in supporting him and helped him get elected, and now have regrets, are shocked. I'm sure they can't believe how quickly the "state of the dept" has deteriorated.   Again, just look at AC own response on his state of the dept video and the survey, ex:

Survey response #61:

"Sheriff, what happened? What happened to you, the promises, the charm, enthusiasm, optimism, positive attitude, character, and genuine concern about the majority of the people that work for you. Quit making the excuse that people don't like change, pull your head out of the sand and start leading this department. You have taken on Bill Heyne's arrogance and it doesn't look good on you. We have come a long way purchasing vehicles and investing in infrastructure. When are you going to spend the same amount of money in leadership and morale in this department? They mean more to employees. The vehicles and infrastructure do nothing for daily working conditions. Look around, people are not happy and the only reason they stay is because they know you will not always be the Sheriff."

People are speaking out, trying to get the truth out.

help others realize why it is important for so many who put the effort into speaking out....and work toward a positive change of leadership!!

Wow Cadence!!!.....I appreciate so much your contributions here on the Hive! 

There have been so many times....I've read your posts....and said..."I wish I had said that!"

Hmmm, Stanislaus County is providing patrols at Lake Don Pedro? Anyone see a Sheriff's car there? Anyone here what deputy is doing that patrol? I have never heard a deputy call off there on the scanner.

Did you know Fresno PD and the CHP have also turned away from Crown Vics. They are also going with the Dodge Chargers. They are basically the same price, but have a better engine and brakes. Ford says they will stop making Crown Vics in the next couple of years. Most agencies are making the change now so they are not stuck with a bunch of equipment that only works in Crown Vics.

Far as the changes related to to the budget, well that changes weekly everywhere. What might have been possible one month, changes quickly the next.

What if they did higher outside for the PIO job. That might be a great idea. They were paying a full wage, full time custody deputy for that position. That meant, he got extra pay above his regular pay for being a PIO. Plus they had to keep him trained for his regular custody job. You hire a person outside, they can pay them less. They also don't have to keep them train for a second job.

BURNS, if your in a position to know, then that would mean your in a position to make change. Well, what changes have you tried to implement?

SHAMOTT, you talk honesty and creditability, who about your web page? I went to it, there are places to vote. If you vote positive for the Sheriff, your webpage automatically changes your vote negative. To me, that would mean you have to rig your votes because you lack the support you claim to have.

STANFORD, you keep talking about a needle exchange, but you never say when and where this goes on. It would be nice to be able to see this for myself. Tell us when and where so we can verify the information.

There are no deputies that I know of that patrol Lake Don Pedro and Burns if your in the position that you speak of you would know that and put an end to that. You would all so know that A.C. doesn't drive a convertable.

The needle exchange???? Stanford why aren't you going after the county supervisors or city council about that?? Handyman hit it on the head, the budget changes constantly and the sheriff's office always strives to keep the deputies in the communities but when there is no budget for it you can't do it. Stanford go to the board of supps and ask them to fund a deputy for the airport district and I agree with you that you need a deputy there.

Some of the people in the office are probably upset because there is no funding for training or equipment. The board of sups are the ones who dictate the budget for the SSD. If they hire an outside PIO then they don't have to pay the benefits to them and it is cheaper. Burns I respect your opinions and I don't say these things because of how I feel or don't feel about A.C it's what I've seen and heard from deputies. 

Ok, now about equipment, The deputies already make 25% less then MPD, Ceres and Turlock and the people expect them to buy their own equipment or to buy there own horse trailors to transport the horses when the public needs them? No thanks!

If the deputies are unhappy with Bill Heyne or the public then they should say something about it. Burns I hope you don't think your being attacked, this is just my opinion

stated in the transcripts of the Don Pedro homeowners meeting....or about the car...realthing and Handyman.

I don't know why you think I am in a position to make changes. 

I am posting information to inform others about my concerns....and I yes...I do hope I can contribute to positive changes I feel need to be made in leadership. 

I do not feel like I am being attacked by your post...realthing.

I do not think you realize that most if not all horse owners...have their own equipment.

I believe deputies ae saying things..read the survey please.

I don't believe anyone has to see the patrol cars at Don Pedro. AC has already said they are there and even sent a message to the patrol command to ensure that they are! (according to the Don Pedro meeting transcript).

Outside PIO? Why any additional cost at this time? People are being demoted!!!  Talk about a morale killer!! I would think that between all the command folks, there must be someone already on staff who could carry out the duties of PIO (even have 2 or 3 help out).   Lt.s, Capts., the Legislative Analyst?? (what is that anyway?? Do either of you know what they do???)

Employees are unhappy (not all). They are speaking out according to the survey, but is anyone listening and taking action? Has AC given any feedback to the employees about their concerns? It would be good to know if he has.

Yea.. the counter really pised me off over the weekend, it started having problems the last few days.. i had quite a few votes nearly 100 in total,  probably too much traffic.  I'll be putting up a better vote counter.  I want it to reflect accurately any vote that is done.    There were many votes that weren't being registered at all in either direction that was being taken.  It should not allow people to do multiple votes, etc.    So the voting is down for now, but watch for an all new blogsite there soon!

Thanks for looking!

Shamott

Actually - I have spoken to the board of Supervisors regarding the needle exchange at the very least 3 times now, possibly more - I am working with some of them individually to try to get this shut down. AC is not allowing it to happen - it just keeps going and going.

I have posted where and when several times ad noseum on these blogs. So obviously you are not reading all there is regarding our complaints about the Sheriff - you should read everything. But that's up to you.

Myself and others are completely convinced that you are all just Shills for the Sheriff. Your counter arguments not only stray off the topics we consider to be most important, they are incomplete to the facts and yes rumors, that we have presented. Your counter arguments are week and in my opinion do a dis-service to arriving at the truth. Which is also a dis-service to Sheriff Adam Christianson himself.

We are asking questions. We want answers. We will get those answers and as we do, we will present them.

As I have said several time ad noseum as well, I certainly do hope that we are wrong wrong wrong. That would suck for us, but be great for the community.

We shall see.

Please read and stop distracting us with partial arguments.

Robert Stanford
Candidate for Modesto City Council
District 4

Robert, "Myself and others are completely convinced that you are all just Shills for the Sheriff. "

Once again you continue to blog things that are untrue proving the Sheriff to have been correct about you.  I told you when the last time I even spoke to the Sheriff was and if you have proof that I'm lying about that then please provide your proof.   I have no idea who the other posters are, but I think it is completely dishonest of you to simply accuse everybody who doesn't agree with you as being directed to do so by the Sheriff.  Now having said that, please keep that conduct up because it continues to show anybody who may stumble across these comments on the Hive to better understand the motivations of the people behind them. 

Stanford, read your own posts, it says AC is not allowing the needle exchange to happen, then you say that is one of your complaints about him?

So if he is not allowing it to happen, then how is that bad on his part?

Is your community anymore deserving than the next? If there is no money for community deputies, then you can't do it.

A question:

If I were a deputy sheriff who was a member of the mounted unit, and if a "call-out" were made, wouldn't I have to hook up my own horse trailer, load up my horse and equipment, haul my horse and equipment to the "Hackett Road Campus", unload the horse and equipment, then reload the horse and equipment into that brand new horse trailer, to travel to where the call was, perhaps even back the way initially travelled? All in a paid status? Am I understanding this horse trailer "stuff" correctly?

I never said you were a shill for a fact - I said that is what I and others think.

Secondly, regarding neddles, don't play the semantics game with me - you know what I mean.

So what are you telling me, that my community does not deserve what the next community deserves? No of course that is not what you mean.

I had assurances that this would be shut down. It is not.

I intend to do something about that.

Robert Stanford
Candidate for Modesto City Council
District 4

Sound like you have it "exactly" right. Plus, I believe there are more than 8 members and horses on the posse and the equipment only holds eight, so I quess that leaves some out on their own. Then what????? Make 2 trips??

In completely solving that "liability" issue.

Robert Stanford
Candidate for Modesto City Council
District 4

for their positions on the Unit....and a previous trailer was not utilized often.  I do not even know if it is still around.

These trailers were purchased specifically for the mounted unit - not the posse.

Robert Stanford
Candidate for Modesto City Council
District 4

The trailers were budgeted for..but ended up on the addendum to the budget for approval in Sept. ....when the budget year is July to July?  Is that right?

Maybe the Sheriff needs a copy of the budget.....I think he is missing something.....wait.....wasn't he present when his finance guy "Dan" was given the plaque for finding the money.

I understood the Contract City funds....I just did not think that money should go to buying equipment for special units....when it could go to cover costs associated or generated by the Contract Cities that may come up.

Remember, the mounted unit works in those contract cities probably more than in the county. Each of those contract cities have fairs and festivals. The horses work those events.

Far as them going to the office with their horse in their own trailers to load into the second trailer, don't you think there might be a better solution?

Very few horse deployments are done on an emergency basis, there for they can plan. Perhaps, one person drives his car to the office, picks up the the truck and trailer and then picks up the others on their way to the event? Maybe?

If I understood AC correctly on the show, he said the Mounted Unit is made up of sworn officers and the Posse is a non profit group of officers and volunteers.

AC also said there are 16 members on the Mounted Unit, so that means the new equipment can only service 1/2 of the team. Now, how does this make any sense? The CEO's explanation that this equipment was need for liability reasons seems to fly right out the window! 

According to the 2008/2009 proposed budget, Page 188- It says,

"As of March 31, 2008, the Contract Cities reflects a positive cash balance of $438,787."  On the show, AC made a point of saying that "there weren"t millions" in the account, but there was almost 1/2 a million dollars of excess city money. He said the excess money is gone, so what happend to the rest of the money in this account? www.stancounty.com/budget/FY2008-2009/01-Proposed-Budget-2008-2009.pdf.  

AC said was spent on equipment that would benefit the cities. Well, wouldn't any city in the county (or neighboring county, like maybe....Tuolumne) also benefit regardless if they financially contributed if the need arose? 

Again,  How can you justify spending $247,000 on equipment the will only benefit 1/2 of a team with excess money from the pockets of contract cities. Then, months later, ask for more money to cover costs related to basic law enforecment services for those cities because there is not enough money???

This does not make sense.

I would like to find out where the surplus money ended up.  Only $150,000 was approved for use on the Mounted Unit equipment.

Normally only part of the team would be deployed. So eight places would be great. That is double what the old trailer would hold. I do believe the trailer is well over 15 years old. Most businesses would consider that a liability. Who would want to put their animal at risk riding in such an old trailer. Equipment always needs to be replaced.

How old is your car?

A 15 year old trailer depending on condition, might be an insurance issue.

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Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

Really?  Why would only part of a team be deployed?

What about in search and rescues and training that would be held at various locations? Wouldn't all 16 members and horses need to be there? 

Wouldn't their special training be required for all to attend like other training is for other officers-like say...swat?

How many deputies work patrol?  Are they all deployed at the same time?  Are there enough cars to hold all the deputies?  Once again you guys are grasping at straws.  There would probably never be a time when all 16 members of the mounted unit would deploy at the same time.  If there was some big event such as a major search that required that type of deployment, then they would likely be set up to search in shifts.  And if the Russians invade and there is a need to deploy all 16 members of the mounted unit, then for that rare event some of them will just have to use their own trailers and take the risk.

They are just questions - perhaps not everyone is looking for fault as you say they are. Maybe they are just trying to put their minds at ease.

Robert Stanford
Candidate for Modesto City Council
District 4

What or who is Ramtha? 

Robert, "I never said you were a shill for a fact - I said that is what I and others think."

And once again I'll point out that you have a habit of making accusations without having any facts to back them up.  You do it to the Sheriff and you do it to people who post anything that doesn't agree with you on here.

Robert, "Secondly, regarding neddles, don't play the semantics game with me - you know what I mean."

I don't have a clue what you mean.  I told you I don't know anything about that program other than what you have said here and I have no proof you are even telling the truth.  I'm not going to speculate on something I know nothing about especially when I see how you throw around accusations on here without a shred of evidence.

Robert, "So what are you telling me, that my community does not deserve what the next community deserves? No of course that is not what you mean."

And this line is just a complete fabrication on your part as I didn't even write anything that could have been misunderstood as saying this.  You simple made this one up.

They are not just asking questions they are grasping at straws.  If you don't think the money should have been spent on the horse trailers then just say so.  But to make up arguments such as the mounted unit has 16 members and the new trailers only hold 8 is just grasping at straws.  Common sense tells you that probably in 98% of all cases when the mounted unit is used all members won't go out at the same time. 

Blogging with Linda.

Big waste of time.

You are proving nothing - your just talking around in circles.

Of course even in this discourse, I suppose the same could be said for me as well....

I think your Linda.

Activist1 - yes that's you.

Why, I should shoot an email off to Dan Day right now and ask that you be banned permanently from the hive.

How could you do this to us?

Robert Stanford
Candidate for Modesto City Council
District 4

If you can sleep at night with kind of liability on your hands - then your a bigger man than me.

Or whatever.

Robert Stanford
Candidate for Modesto City Council
District 4

Do you control Dan Day?  If so, then feel free to shoot off your email and have me banned.  Then I guess you'll be able to shoot off e-mails and have everybody banned who disagrees with you too?  I think there's a word for that, oh yeah, censorship.  If you ever get on the Modesto City Council is that how you plan to operate?  People who don't agree with you won't be allowed to talk?  I know maybe you can post cops at the door to the Council chambers and unless people sign an oath to only agree with Robert they won't even be allowed in the council chambers.  Are you even reading your own writing and thinking about what you are saying?

Just simply pointing out flaws in the poor decision for spending a huge amount of money on equipment that wasn't a priority at this time. Not saying it isn't nice, but people are being demoted. And taking a portion of the money from an excess fund and NOW ask for more money because there isn't enough for basic law enforcement service? It just doesn't make sense!

Again, obviously, some members will still have to use their own vehicles or someone will have to make multiple trips with the truck/trailers to get them all to a scene, regardless how rare the occasion might be. Not to mention, I understand there are monthly trainings they have to attend.  Are you saying they all don't or won't be attending? Again, It just doesn't make sense!