Most Envied supporters named in Holloway indictment

Good question. I tripped over it, too. We're going to post the indictments on modbee, so you'll be able to see for yourself.

In this case, the feds allege that Orozco loaned a man $5,000 with the understanding that if the loan wasn't repaid, the recipient would be harmed.

It sounds the same.

Yep.

Here's the indictment.

It is the same. It's up to the individual wheather to take the loan or not. In esscents, the banks do the same thing to us, "Pay us back or we will ruin your ability to borrow from anyone else" Turning you into the credit bueru. I'd rather barrow from a shark, It takes years to heal your credit score, but only a few months to heal a broken arm.

Most Envied has nothing to do with all this, but i bet the police would love to tie them into it somehow.  alleged associations with outlaw motorcycle clubs?

Just because people may know a few members of outlaw clubs does not make one an outlaw. That's like saying  that because I know a few outlaw cops that now makes me an outlaw cop too... LMFAO!  Go figure...

You're absolutely right, the police don't have evidence to call Most Envied a gang.

But police are watching the club partly because officers believe Most Envied runs with the outlaw clubs. In a way, this is a public relations issue. And the message that the Hells Angels sends in a council meeting might not be one that benefits Most Envied.

That makes for probably cause. It also makes for cops harassing a black man walking through a white neighborhood at night, illegal without SUFFICIENT probably cause. Lines are drawn.

The Most Envied have a point. Their case depends upon documentation or other types of evidence, which they seem to have very little of.

Like:

Where is the video camera that was confiscated?

Why was it confiscated?

What was the clipping of the police officer about?

How is that individual being charged currently?

Is that individual being charged currently?

I have been asking these questions for a while now, since they seem to be avoided, to ME, it makes both Most Envied and the MPD's case look weak.

Unless there is sufficient evidence to warrent something, then what kind of case do you have?

Robert Stanford

Airport Neighborhood Activist

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I am a member, and I know that they have a habit of saying that they have things, but they never really show what it is - They did this to me some years back - it's a joke - if they had it - it would be on youtube by now - don't you get it?

It is the same with hyphy - everyone says there is video to make them believe one way or another but no one ever sees it - and if it really existed it would be like the rodney king tapes.

naacp....hmmmmmm. 

Yes its true some of the clubs there were supporters of Road Dog Cycles, But Most Envied is also supported by the NAACP, ACLU and well know attorneys. Lets keep the foucus on the issue at hand. It looks like law enforcment was also supporting the holloways.

I don't give my trust to just anyone, people have to earn it. The Sheriff has earned mine.  

I think if you put the Sheriff's office under a microscope you would find some good people, under the direction of a good Sheriff,  doing their job!

a chicken with his head cut off... but why? What does he really ever accomplish? 

It isn't going to happen.

I talked to a retired deputy sheriff who told me that if personal property is taken, a receipt has to be given to the owner. Are you sure it was taken and kept? It is illegal for them to do that.

Knowing what has been going on in the name of the law concerning Bob Holloway......nothing would surprise me.

Hey Ts, I have a song for ya.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7miRCLeFSJo

Put down the bong and come to your senses!!!  I don't know what rock you've been living under, but the public isn't on the bikers' side.  How many non-afiliated bikers, non-affiliated NAACP members, or non-affiliated ACLU members spoke on the bikers behalf?!  I've seen more public outcry for the council looking at stopping the pickup of pruned refuse waste!!!

Let's get real.  The PR campaign that Most Envied is waging is backfiring on them.  As soon as they showed up with the Hell's Angels most law abiding Modestans closed the book on this and wrote this group off, as bad news.  Now with all of these indictments - get real!!!

My Mom has a saying, "show me your firends and I'll tell you who you are."  In other words, show me who you hang around and I'll tell you who you are!  Most Envied is supported by the Hells Angels - Done!!!  The PR campaign was lost at that point.

However, I do understand the quandry that the Most Envied found themselves in.  The Hell's Angels probably weren't their first pick.  They were probably thinking of getting the Cub Scouts to come and be there in support, but then realized that they would lose the support of the ACLU, because the Cub Scouts don't allow homosexuals to lead such groups.  I take it that unlike the Cub Scouts the Most Envied have a different policy on this matter.  : )

Good luck on the continued PR campaign - you're going to need it.  

when not expounding to their children, prefer to open the package and see whats inside before making a decision. Now we all understand it's necessary to make generalities when dealing with minds that haven't fully matured, and the need to simplify their children's decision making processes.

I was going to keep quiet on your rant until the homosexual "joke".? I wonder who taught you that? Small minds tend to think alike so maybe when you grow up and think for yourself, we can continue your education. In 5 or 6 years.

Up to this point we have seen more law enforcement personnel charged with a crime, than we have Most Envied members. But most of us aren't saying that all Officers are bad. But using your demonstrated thought process....

Love it!

Pinpointprecision, welcome to the Hive.

you don't find it somewhat comical that the ACLU is supporting these bike groups, but if this was the Cub Scouts, who's rights were supposedly violated, then they wouldn't even come close to supporting them.  Lighten up and see the hypocricy...

Look, biker groups have a history in this county of producing meth and distributing their 'product' to latino gangs for its distribution.  If you want to hang your hat on whether or not the police are dotting their "i's" and crossing their "t's" then so be it.  I just want my kids to live in a safe neighborhood.  I think most Modestans would agree with me, but then you are one of those civil libertarians who always want to find the bad in everything.  So, have you heard any conspiracies down at city hall this week?  Give me a break...

NONE.

Robert Stanford

Airport Neighborhood Activist

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See, that's just it - where is the camera? Where is the reciept? Was there a camera?

I just don't know any of this clearly.

Robert Stanford

Airport Neighborhood Activist

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=%22robert+Stanford%22+modesto

PR? Who are you talking to?

Robert Stanford

Airport Neighborhood Activist

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haterproof

hate activist

So, I sound like a cop to you.

Just because I am looking for evidence to see what the truth is? I didn't ask for all the evidence - I had some questions that I wanted clear answers on to fill holes in the story. I would like to be able to say - I believe this or I believe that.

Why do you guys come to council with nothing but some photos and a few tickets and some torn up testimony. Is this what our NAACP and ACLU did for you? Help you prepare?

Please.

I don't think you know me very well.

Robert Stanford

Airport Neighborhood Activist

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This is last Tuesday's board of supervisors meeting - controllable - now if we can just do this for the City Council.....

http://www.co.stanislaus.ca.us/bos/video/07-15-2008.htm

Robert Stanford

Airport Neighborhood Activist

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On what you do while you are wearing that patch.

Robert Stanford

Airport Neighborhood Activist

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=%22robert+Stanford%22+modesto

Each individual is of course on their own - unless you want to file a suit on behalf of the club it'self.

You need to build a case with some sort of evidence - one member suggested that it would be adventageous to have some sort of helmet cam - a small camera installed in the helmet - But then what do you do when you  take the helmet off?

either way - without evidence, a long hard road of following through with any type of complaint or suit, or what have you may be fruitless, and therefore maybe more detrimental than effective, because it may send the message that the stops were lawful.

My understanding is that these bs reasons were minor traffic violations - in one instance it was because the tail-lights of the bike were not stock and varied in size or something like that.

I was disappointed with Chief Wasden's presentation at the Most Envied's presentation (2nd round) at the City council. But he did not have very much to go on either. 2 complaints - one under process and the other, he had not had a chance to examine.

Achieving this evidence is extremely difficult, but is made more so without presentation, legal representation and the shoddy job that the NAACP originally did with the City Council presentation. At the most, if at all effective the presentation will only subdue the "alleged" harassment for a short period of time until attention is blown over. - Now with the recent indictments of some of your supporters that showed up that night - well you know the rest.

The one gentleman that was harassed talking to his lady friend at Wallgreens - this was an opportunity to gather evidence, because there was a good chance that the entire incident was video taped by wallgreens cameras - this tape could be acquired through a sopeana<sp> - that's where legal representation helps, but is not necessary. see www.nolo.com for self help legal assistance.

In my opinion, the NAACP's approach to bringing the issue to bear at City Council was not the correct first action to take - it seemed intimidating to a lot of the public - further, I don't believe that the NAACP properly prepared your club (if it's your club we are talking about here) - to present. It was lame.

But, what else are you going to do? It's hard working and living your life and then having to scurry around looking for scraps of evidence and plotting out a plan of action to try and seek relief.

I would heavily suggest that all or at least more than two members, make complaints to the police department. With time and location, you do not need names and badge numbers. When we heard that there were only two complaints, I think a lot of people were expecting many more, considering the showing that the club had at both city councils.

Just to bitch about it, will not bring relief - if this is in fact happening, it is a serious situation and needs to be addressed - because it will be the rest of us tomorrow, know what I mean?

I have a lot of faith with the MPD - I have been very effective at getting them to treat other groups differently by working with them - in various bold ways - The hardest thing for a civil rights activist is getting the victim to follow through with anything - like filing a complaint, or writing out deposition.

hope that helps a little to give some insight.

Robert Stanford

Airport Neighborhood Activist

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=%22robert+Stanford%22+modesto

Don't trust anyone - particularly your friends......

A witch hunt never hurt anyone....

Robert Stanford

Airport Neighborhood Activist

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=%22robert+Stanford%22+modesto

Yes, there are many things that you can do - my best advice is to get your evidence together - call channel 3 and channel 58 - you might also want to get ahold of Univision - they will translate for you if need be - they are down at the doubletree building -

A little time online or at the library can teach you how to put together a press release -

In my opinion if you let the Stanislaus NAACP take the lead on this they will just get their little axes grinded and then drop you - they always do it that way.

The council presentation could have been a lot better if you were better informed about how to present your case and assisted to gather your evidence while it was still warm -

Reaching out to other communities help - just be sure you can back the stuff up for the sake of the mpd ssd and the community at large - please.

Robert Stanford

Airport Neighborhood Activist

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=%22robert+Stanford%22+modesto

Can you track down who it was who had the camera taken? They should go down to the agency who took it and put in a request to have it returned. If that doesn't happen they should file a complaint. It sounded like there were others who witnessed what happened. If it was destroyed there should be a record of that happening.

I tried to get that autopsy report for andy with his uncle - or when I tried to get even the police report - they are SUPPOSE to give it to you and not just give you dirty looks and sneer.

I don't know exactly who had the camera confiscated, and it is not really my case - but I will definately keep my eyes open about it - this is a pivotal point -

There should be other evidence as well.

Robert Stanford

Airport Neighborhood Activist

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what did chief roy wasden say or show that was a legit reason that the mpd is treating this club like criminals? i will tell you what, nothing, he look like a lost fool when ask about the complaints, you talk about preparing your case, what did the mpd show or prove that they have a right to profile,harass and assault this club? nothing, thats what. the guy who's camera was taken was told he can pick it up, but without the cd. there is evidence on the cd of police wrong doing thats why the sheriff's dept wont return it, also there is more than 2 complaints, in fact there're more than  a dozen, there is a reason why chief roy wasden spoke last at the meeting, so nobody can question his lies and bs. i think the only 2 complaints he spoke about was the 2 that made to internal affairs office, there is a recording of that meeting too.

lets be up front about it, right now it does not look good for law enforcement in this county. you need stop waiting for them to correct the problem, we as citizens have a duty to question these unlawful actions that are law enforcement is doing, there's more evidence of them doing wrong than right,  people who think nothing is wrong whith these cops you are in denial, or maybe they have not had the pleasure of having these cops take their civil rights away.

it's stupid to think that we don't need an oversite committee. we need asap. i don't understand why the city council and these cops are so scared to put one in place. i think they won't be able to get away with the stuff they are doing right now. another thing why don't they put cameras in cop cars it would help protect and convict people,. when this issue is brought up they come up with "budget" we don't have it , it's bull crap, why is there 6 to 9 patrol cars when they pull over someone in this club, then they don't even hand out any citations. if they can pay these officers to waste resources like that then all they have to do is cut back on unnecessory officers.

look people, lets just relax and look at the facts, lately there has been to many officers commiting crimes, let's not make up excuses for them, they have plenty on their own. let's find a solution quick!